10 Reasons “13 Reasons Why” is Actually Bad for Society

10 Reasons “13 Reasons Why” is Actually Bad for Society


When it
was released on Netflix in spring of 2017, 13 Reasons Why, a show that follows a suicidal
teenager and the fallout from her decision to take her own life, quickly became one of
the most talked-about—and controversial—shows of the year. While some have argued that the show, which
many critics have found compelling and well-acted, provides a much-needed forum to depict and
discuss issues teenagers face, like bullying and sexual assault, the list of potential
negatives is far longer. With Season 2 coming out in about two weeks,
below are 10 reasons why 13 Reasons Why is bad for society. Note: This post contains show spoilers, difficult
content, and references to suicide. If you or someone you know is contemplating
suicide, call the National Suicide Prevention Hotline at 1-800-273-8255. 10. The show’s structure suggests that suicide
isn’t final In 13 Reasons Why, the main character, Hannah,
plays a major role in every episode, even though she is dead. As Hannah notes in one of her ubiquitous voiceovers,
“I’m going to tell you the story of my life. More specifically, why my life ended.” Throughout the series, Hannah is ever-present,
both through her voice on the tapes and through her presence in flashbacks. Even though Hannah is dead, she’s still
playing a major role in the story, with her voice literally driving the action that takes
place in the series’ 13 episodes. One suicide attempt survivor and mental health
advocate explains the problem with this approach, saying, “Having [Hannah] appear over and
over makes the impact of the fact that she is dead get lost. When you die by suicide there is no coming
back. You don’t get to hear the apologies and
the things people wish they said when you were alive. You’re gone.” Viewers of 13 Reasons Why may not grasp the
finality of suicide, because the arc of the plotline suggests that Hannah gets to continue
to tell, and even participate in, her own story after her death. According to the show’s writer, Brian Yorkey,
Hannah will even appear in the second season of the show, allowing her to live on in the
minds of the show’s viewers, despite the fact that her life actually ended the moment
she killed herself. 9. The adults on the show are depicted as oblivious
and/or unhelpful The adults on 13 Reasons Why are generally
unaware of the challenges facing the teen characters on the show, and when they do have
important opportunities to help, they don’t. While Hannah’s parents are distracted over
their own financial situation, we don’t get any indication that they wouldn’t have
supported her if she shared her problems with them. However, this is a potential avenue for help
that the show doesn’t even treat as a possibility. When Hannah finally does try to reach out
for help, both to a teacher and the school counselor, she doesn’t get any. Mrs. Bradley, the Peer Communications teacher,
does list some resources for dealing with suicidal thoughts after receiving an anonymous
note (from Hannah), but Hannah’s voiceover quickly interrupts (meaning that neither Hannah
nor the audience get the message). Mrs. Bradley apparently feels that a one-time
mention of avenues for help is sufficient and doesn’t take any follow-up action to
try to reach out to her suicidal student. Worse still, when Hannah visits her school
guidance counselor, Mr. Porter, he fails to recognize that she is suicidal, despite her
saying that she feels “lost and sort of empty” and wants “everything to stop—people,
life.” When she confides that she was the victim
of sexual assault, Mr. Porter describes this as a regrettable “decision” and says that
if she doesn’t want to reveal the name of her attacker, she should “move on.” As she leaves the guidance counselor’s office,
Mr. Porter picks up the ringing phone, implying that he has already moved on from the discussion. School counselors have reacted with anger
to this depiction of their profession. The National Association for Suicide Prevention
advised educators to reinforce with students that school mental health professionals are
available to help and that Mr. Porter’s behavior on the show “is understood by virtually
all school-employed mental health professionals as inappropriate.” One guidance professional called the depiction
of Mr. Porter’s actions “unethical, unrealistic and even legally dubious,” while another
noted that this unrealistic portrayal gave teenagers the false message that seeking help
from mental health professionals would prove to be a “dead end for someone who’s struggling.” 8. It equates transgressions that aren’t equally
bad It’s there in the title of the show—13
Reasons Why—but some of those 13 reasons are a lot worse than others. The crimes each character commits against
Hannah vary wildly, but each character and their transgression are allotted equal time
on the tapes. Bryce, for example, commits a legitimately
heinous crime—brutally raping Hannah. Contrast that to some of the other offenses
that warranted tapes from Hannah—Ryan publishing Hannah’s poem (without her name attached)
against her wishes or Zach secretly emptying her compliment jar in class and supposedly
crumpling up a heartfelt note from Hannah (it turns out he never actually did the latter). Hannah even admits that Clay doesn’t actually
even deserve to be on the list, but saddles him with guilt over her death anyway. While these are all presented as an accumulation
of betrayals that lead Hannah to take her own life, the show doesn’t do enough to
emphasize that the betrayals Hannah experiences are in no way equivalent to one another. It also suggests that there is no real opportunity
for Hannah to get relief from any of her traumas and, while that’s likely true of Hannah’s
embarrassment over the poem publication, there are certainly numerous avenues through which
rape victims can pursue justice. 7. It provides an inadequate examination of mental
illness and makes suicide seem rational Hannah certainly faces a confluence of terrible
life events in the course of the show. However, while external stressors such as
bullying, violence, and loss can certainly contribute to suicide, they are rarely the
only factors that make a person suicidal. More than 90% of people who die by suicide
have risk factors of depression and/or other mental disorders and/or substance abuse disorders. Extreme circumstances can serve as a suicide
trigger for someone with one of these underlying conditions, but it is rare that circumstances
alone are enough to cause an otherwise healthy person to pursue suicide. While the show depicts Hannah suffering from
some stereotypical symptoms of depression (withdrawal, loss of interest in activities,
drop in grades), the arc of the narrative suggests that Hannah’s problems (and by
extension, her depression) are driven just by the negative events that she experiences,
and are not in any way linked to her underlying brain chemistry. This lack of discussion of mental illness
on the show suggests that Hannah is pursuing a rational course of action in choosing to
end her life, rather than highlighting the likelihood that other risk factors existed
even before Hannah faced a series of traumatic events in her life. By not incorporating the idea of other risk
factors, viewers may see Hannah’s suicide as inevitable, rather than appreciating the
high probability that with effective treatment for underlying mental issues, Hannah would
likely have had the resilience to cope with the terrible things she experiences in the
course of Season 1. 6. The show suggests that suicidal individuals
can be saved by kindness alone While even Hannah doesn’t blame her friend
Clay for her suicide, Clay himself does, saying, “I cost a girl her life because I was afraid
to love her.” Even assurances from a trusted adult that
love wouldn’t have saved Hannah don’t dissuade Clay (or the audience) from believing
it might have. Clay tells the guidance counselor, “It has
to get better, the way we treat each other and look out for each other. It has to get better somehow.” This idea that kindness is the answer to suicide
prevention is further reinforced when, at the end of Season 1, Clay reaches out to Skye,
another troubled classmate, and the two are shown hanging out. While it’s hard to argue with a message
that promotes kindness (especially to teenage viewers), there is danger in suggesting that
it is a viable method for preventing suicides. This idea is not only incorrect, it is cruel
to the loved ones of someone who has committed suicide, because it suggests that a kind word
or gesture would have been enough to prevent the act. Indeed, an astute viewer will notice that
a librarian does offer kind words to Hannah shortly before she kills herself, indirectly
refuting this idea, though it is underscored in other ways throughout the series. Because mental illness is a factor in most
suicides, kindness isn’t enough. If a teen suspects a friend is contemplating
suicide, the most effective way of addressing it isn’t just by being kind, but rather
by offering support while providing encouragement and avenues to seek professional help. The show provides no “how to” guide for
teens to support suicidal friends, other than simple kindness, an approach which is unlikely
to address the source of suicidal ideation and therefore, not the most effective way
to prevent suicide. 5. The show promotes the idea that no one can
be trusted Throughout the course of 13 Reasons Why, everyone
close to Hannah Baker betrays her. Her parents are too preoccupied with their
own challenges to notice her unhappiness, her friends and classmates (even those who
seem decent initially) turn on her in ways large and small, her crush sends an explicit
photo of her to his friends, her teachers and counselor dismiss her, and she’s left
to cope with the aftermath of her sexual assault with no functional support system. The show largely reflects Hannah’s view
that there is no good in the world, a view that supports Hannah’s hopeless spiral. Even when there are flickers of good, like
the librarian who invites Hannah to return to the poetry group where she’s been missed,
they aren’t enough to offset the fact that everyone close to Hannah lets her down. Unfortunately, 13 Reasons Why doesn’t do
enough to distinguish between Hannah’s depressed worldview and the reality that there were
people who cared about her and would have helped if she shared her struggle. Instead, Hannah signs off her final tape by
saying, “Some of you cared, none of you cared enough.” Viewers may be left with the incorrect impression
that the world is a dark place, full of terrible people, and vulnerable viewers may be left
with the dangerous conclusion that no one around them is willing to help, and that even
those who appear decent will ultimately betray them. 4. Hannah’s suicide results in justice Sure, Hannah’s suicide devastates her family
and friends, but 13 Reasons Why also highlights a fair number of positive outcomes that result
from it. Hannah’s parents sue the school, exposing
its pervasive culture of bullying. Clay pushes Bryce to confess to raping Hannah
on tape, suggesting Bryce will have to answer for his crimes. Sheri, whose failure to report a stop sign
she knocked over resulted in a tragic death, is moved by Hannah’s tapes to confess her
role in the accident to the police. Tyler, who shared a compromising photo of
Hannah with classmates, faces his own comeuppance when Clay shares a naked photo of him with
his fellow students, with Clay saying that he’s “Making [his]own justice.” By showcasing the positive results of Hannah’s
suicide, the show inaccurately suggests that her suicide was the only way to get justice,
when, in fact, there were likely numerous other ways to make the wrongdoers account
for their actions that didn’t require Hannah’s suicide. 3. The show blames others for Hannah’s suicide The show’s very title suggests that other
people (12 other people to be specific) are the cause of Hannah’s suicide. In fact, Hannah kills herself for just one
reason: because she chooses to. While many of the people on the list did terrible
things to Hannah (some more terrible than others and a couple who, arguably, did nothing
wrong), none of those people ultimately ends Hannah’s life. Hannah does. The show repeatedly reinforces the idea that
others are to blame for Hannah’s death not only through its title, but also through the
assessments of those who listen to the tapes Hannah left behind. One character (Alex), accepts this blame,
arguing to another, “You want to think whatever you did couldn’t be why Hannah killed herself. But the truth is, I did, I killed Hannah Baker! And Justin killed Hannah Baker. And Jessica. And you. We all killed Hannah Baker. “ However, the idea that everyone who hurt (or
failed to help) Hannah is responsible for her suicide, ignores the role of Hannah (and
her underlying mental health) in her own death. In the vast majority of suicides, while the
actions of others can be contributing stressors, the person committing suicide had an underlying
mental disorder (such as depression) and/or a substance abuse disorder. The “reason why” is almost always that
they did not get treatment for their suicidal thinking (and the underlying mental conditions
for it) when they needed it. By not exploring this most common actual risk
factor for suicide, the show left the false impression that the actions of others are
the primary driver of suicides, and therefore, largely out of the suicidal person’s own
control and beyond help through treatment. 2. The show suggests that suicide is an effective
vehicle for revenge and a way to have control The tapes Hannah leaves behind (and her threat
to have a friend expose those who are featured on the tapes if they don’t cooperate) literally
force those who Hannah believes have wronged her to listen to her perspective and obey
her instructions. As one critic complains, “By letting Hannah
live on through the tapes, the show not only undermines the finality of her suicide, it
frames suicide as an effective act of vengeance.” In the series, Hannah’s suicide amplified
her power (and literally, her voice) and enabled her to exact revenge on those who wronged
her. Her classmates are sorry when she’s gone. And through flashback sequences, and the tapes,
it almost seems as though she is witnessing the impact of her suicide on those around
her. In real life of course, the person who committed
suicide is in no way around to witness the impact of their death, which is mainly likely
to result in pain for loved ones rather than the fulfillment of a revenge fantasy. Unfortunately, while suicide isn’t an effective
way to get power or revenge, some research shows a desire for control or revenge can
be a motivating factor for some suicidal adolescents. For those vulnerable teens, 13 Reasons Why
falsely suggests that suicide can be a path to achieving those ends. 1. The show may spark copycat behavior When 13 Reasons Why debuted, suicide-prevention
experts criticized the show’s graphic depiction of Hannah’s suicide, highlighting the risk
of a “contagion effect,” whereby vivid imagery or intense media coverage of suicides
can spark additional “copycat” suicides. Given the show’s popularity (it was the
year’s most-tweeted about show), its content reached a large audience, many of whom were
teenagers. A study found that Google searches around
suicide increased significantly after the show’s release. An editorial published in the Journal of American
Medicine related to this study further warned that the ability to binge-watch the series
may amplify its negative impact on teens, noting, “This immersion into the story and
images may have a particularly strong effect on adolescents, whose brains are still developing
the ability to inhibit certain emotions, desires, and actions.” Indeed, the show itself alludes to the contagion
effect, when its final episode of the first season reveals a classmate of Hannah’s has
also attempted suicide. Unfortunately, the show’s content may have
contributed to the real-world suicides of three young adults. A 23-year-old man in Peru committed suicide,
leaving behind tapes for those he felt made his life unbearable. While there was no explicit reference to 13
Reasons Why, the presence of the recordings suggests the show may have influenced his
behavior. Families of two California teens who committed
suicide also cite the show, and its depiction of suicide as the only way to escape challenges
like cyberbullying and emotional pain, as a trigger for those suicides.

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    Storm Meridian Dee The Broccoli Fox

    This whole show is a joke. The only aspect of it that is remotely realistic is how terrible kids treat one another. Everything else is just ridiculous. As a person who has had multiple attempts as a child… and now 30+ years fighting my suicidal brain and other mental illnesses, I find the entire storyline offensive. Considering how difficult it is for me to take offense to something, this is certainly saying something.

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    Emily Speck

    Hannah, a fictional person made to glorify suicide: if u were nicer………i would have lived…….
    Me, a person with depression: I appreciate the help and love you all keep giving me but i am still empty and want to die. the responsibility of my suicide will be on my own shoulders, do not blame yourself

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    Grace Fauchelle

    i dont agree with this. and people can be oblivious. ive been suicidal and people have totally missed the signs and perhaps ignored them. its society. we ignore blatant signs and talk down to them – and then we go "how could we have missed the signs?" its the same with sexual assault. i was assaulted once and again tried to reach out. i was again ignored and legit told off for mentioning it.

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    Anna Škopíková

    It feels extremely gratifying when someone who actually understands the mistakes calls out this show. I've seen the first season, but I refuse to watch the second, because of obvious reasons. And now I've heard there is going to be a third season??!! I can't believe this…it also disappoints me greatly how naively is Selena Gomez convinced that this show will help anyone.
    And don't get me started on Skye and the depiction of her self-harming. I went through an addiction to self-harming and let me tell you, NO-ONE walks around with their cuts visible!

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    Eve Green

    Stop being surprised. The powers that be are trying to get as many people as possible to die as earth's resources dwindle.

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    G-Rex Saurus

    If you define people being unhappy in life(yes I know depression is formally an illness) as a mental illness in general, suicide is always "irrational", but that's ridiculously circular

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    Diya Deb

    I hope no one comes…n kill me but….13 reason why ….it affected me deeply….I was so sad about Hanna's death…that her suicide scene was replaying in my head over n over again……here TBH I regret watching the show …..but also thankful cozz it was beautiful

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    Troy Sorensen

    It would be great if we could seriously moderate tv viewership but we cant. So this show is risky af. Oh well lol

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    Troy Sorensen

    And school employed mental health professionalism is an absolute joke so ignore his points there. I went to a couple schools and yeah that shits not really present..

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    eimear mulligan

    I lost one of my closest friends to suicide. I likes the show before he died, but ever since i cant stand it, because i can see just how ignorant it is now

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    Brian-With-A-Na DinoJinn

    Sociaty. The idea of something that's useful. Not really natural. The idea of enforcing life.

    You know nothing. Are you religious? Not anti Sociaty but social reality should not have to be a certain way at all.
    I'm not pro human. We are just humans right? We aren't all right. He doesn't care. I'm not your business and I'm not helping you. Playing with pergatory here.

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    Brian-With-A-Na DinoJinn

    What's that Johnny? Deciding people and life over feeling that aren't your again? You can't channel your anger well. I don't blue pill or red pill. Don't drug a teen up… Pervert?

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    Odd Eyes94

    I'm bipolar, and had hoped this show would help those with mental illness be able to talk about it openly and not being looked at like we're monsters or bombs about to go off at the slightest thing. But, instead, it seems to glamorize, romanticize, and make it cute. Its disgusting.

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    Caitlyn Kloosterman

    5:28 no they dont they show what will happen after you did it it doesnt make it rational at all

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    ferociousgumby

    Where are you getting your facts?? This is a little more important than Top Ten Ways to Peel a Banana. I cannot see how Simon Whistler can be considered the ultimate expert on mental health, casually listing the ways this show drops the ball, while at the same time pontificating about how people SHOULD perceive mental illness. Oh really.

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    Emma

    I hate the scene where she’s legit screaming at him to leave but he wants to and tries to stay but eventually leaves because she is legit begging him too, and he has to respect that: then she blames him for leaving like WTF

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    DoOt

    the whole parents and adults not caring, it's actually accurate in a way, let me explain.
    In 6th grade I started cutting myself due to depression, bullying, and stress. I told the counselor and the counselor asked "are you okay?" I said yeah, and walked out of the room, she never told my parents, and the year went on as if it never happened. My parents were obviously worried when I told them, but teachers just don't get paid enough to care.

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    Stevie Nicholson

    1 reason why
    2 reasons why
    3 reasons why
    4 reasons why
    5 reasons why
    6 reasons why
    7 reasons why
    8 reasons why
    9 reasons why
    10 reasons why
    11 reasons why
    12 reasons why
    13 reasons why

    And so on…

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    Necro Drone

    Thank you SO so much for making this video about this awful show. I can see why they made it, but it almost romanticizes suicide. As someone who struggles and survived suicide, this was NOT a healthy thing to watch, especially the end. I wish that Netflix would have made some sort of serious warning, especially at the last episode, with how graphic and psychologically triggering this show can be.

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    Matt Grasty

    She plays the victim over and over. Everyone else is to blame except her. Blah blah blah. Millions of people have it harder in real life than Hannah from the show and yet they suck it up and keep pushing forward no matter what. I have no sympathy for this girl. Yeah I know it’s a show but still you get the point. I will give it a tiny amount of credit for how realistic it looked when she slit her wrists. I accidentally cut my arm really bad with a machete while working and when I saw that scene I remember thinking to myself wow that looks really close to how my arm looked when it was cut. I could be remembering this wrong. Who cares

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    nadia connolly

    I think the show should've depicted the mind of a depressed person to raise awareness for that deadly illness to show that depression lies to the person's mind and it is 100% treatable although horrendous to go through. This would have instead given hope to the so many unfortunate people who have mental illnesses..

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    Mandi Blackwell

    Simon…. the world IS a dark place, full of terrible people who will let you down and you cannot trust… 13 reasons is sickeningly realistic in how the school failed to help Hannah esp trained professional w/awareness that there was stuff going on. Sure mental health is a predisposition, but being abused and mistreated terribly is going to push someone over the edge and make them finally go over that edge and break…. When I was 17 not even the police gave a flying crap that I was being physically abused by my dad and got kicked out illegally… I couldn't seek proper help after I got raped, cause I was a minor, and the school officials pretty much brushed me off. So I OD'd on about 4x a lethal dose of a tranquilizer and somehow survived… first time in several attempts. This show isn't about promotion, lol, it's about kinship and relating to those feelings of stories like this… Group/peer counseling doesn't encourage people to harm themselves, but you hear super sad things during it! But, hey, maybe privileged white males just can't understand, I mean, you've alluded that you're one.

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    LunaSucksAtEverything

    Wow, that's a whole lot, I'm just here because I need to explain my parents now why my sister cuts herself and how that corresponds to me having to block burning series on her browser… She probably partially started because of the show and because of me so I cancel both out of her life, she doesn't need to cut, me neither because I got stronger but I'll avoid her now. Thanks for listing those facts 👍🏻

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    Nahele Shiriki

    The reason adults were depicted as unhelpful is because they often are… any time I contacted an adult for help they ALWAYS did nothing or nothing effective. Their negligence was the reason I had problems.

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    Travell Davis Jr

    First off: never seen the show. But, what i REALLY dont understand is how ppl get mad over the way things are depicted, and then they translate it to real life. This is a work of fiction. Based in reality, yes, but still, FICTION. We know going into the story the set up, so why get mad at how things were handled. Well, im not saying dont get emotionally invested, but why take that as "this is how all parents and counselors and teens act in real life". Not all counselors are up to par at their jobs, but the majority of them are. Most teens are douchebags, but i know of a couple schools where this would hopefully never happen.

    I just think ppl shouldnt take the show or what it portrays so SERIOUSLY. Ppl didnt get this mad over AHS for gods sake 😆.

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    Mark Allenby

    13 Reasons Why shows how authors and TV companies can make money out of doing something that has been demonstrated to kill young people. 14th reason – it pays the bills.

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    Azura Blue

    This show has such terrible representations of mental health issues I mean seriously at the very beginning I thought finally a show that raises some mental health awareness but nope I got a suicide promoter.

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    Kc B

    All these reasons why this show is irresponsible are true but I think the point of the series was to show that this is how it probably happens in real life. Its crude, it's unforgiving. And especially showing it from the point of view of a suicidal teenager with possible unaddressed mental health issues… there's no logic to it, it's reckless, it's self centred. It's not thinking about how it's perceived by others.

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    Lord Thonk

    Late comment, but I hope no future shows attempt to do what this one did. Just watching the suicide scene in the beginning was enough to fill me with the desire to put my gun to my head. This show clearly existed for entertainment, but there is nothing entertaining about one taking their own life.

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    Jonah Peacock

    this show is unfair to mental health workers, but I do like the idea that other peoples actions have consequences and that a persons actions are caused by their genetics and other peoples actions toward them

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    Bass Fight

    Okay I really liked the video but after number one it would have been a lot more decent to end with a psa about where to get help rather than diving straight into like and subscribe.

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    Icarus

    I suffer really badly and genuinely think that this is such an in depth, well scripted video.
    A few more like Simon Whistler in the world please.

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    mads2a

    When you are in the grips of a particularly vicious depression, you literally have no idea what to do, except end it all. There is no longer any reason to go for help. Reason up and left a long time ago. There is only that dull crushing pain that won't let you fall asleep and if you finally are able to sleep, it is one that is almost always dreamless and you wake up tired and still depressed. You hardly notice the passage of days. To you it is one endless loop of sadness, you have no desire to be in the company of other people but at the same time do not want to be alone, and you feel like you want to cry but you can't and you do not know the reason why. At first you blame other people. Then you start thinking it was all your fault and you are convinced that you never deserved everything that you had and whatever those were that you wanted or needed and it would just be better not having existed at all. And trying to do anything becomes pointless. Sometimes, you might just feel a small measure of consolation finding that today is at least not worse than yesterday. As it drags on and on, ending it all becomes attractive more and more.

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    Molly Corkey Flatters

    I was able to make it through the first season, but I became EXTREMELY triggered by the second season self-harm storyline. They romanticize Hannah's suicide in season 2 by constantly saying in the trial that she was "Beautiful and innocent…" because she was dead.

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    Lotus Ren Fujisaki

    Wait– the show actually shows Hanna cutting her wrists open?? This isn't even what happened in the book–!! Like, I didn't watch the series itself, just read the book, and gods, the series sounds so much worse. They both messed up bad though.

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    Paul MvN

    The show fails to mention Hannah made the decision to commit suicide. Also, the show caused other people to commit suicide.

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    Kevin Colon

    I disagree with your level of betrayal comment. That's going off the assumption that betrayal comes in levels, and that's not the case for all people. For some, betrayal is exactly that, and the percieved size of the said betrayal becomes irrelevant. Often leads to the same response as said person would with other betrayals. The dangers of generalization that the show suffers from is the same generalization the detractors are using, which is just as dangerous. 2 extremes in opinion often lead to poor choices due to ignoring the massive grey area in between. In my uneducated and everly humble opinion.

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    Craig A. Glesner

    Why is everyone so down on suicide? Sometimes life sucks and you want to die, I don't see as a problem. What makes people think it's okay to tell a person how and when they end their life? It's not your life so quit trying to run, if a person wants to die then let them.

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    The Thinking Being

    I agree. It actually promotes clever ways to kill yourself, but there's nothing clever about that. Once you're dead, there's no going back. No opportunity to make things better. Most people don't get the message she tried to imply anyway, so why did she do it?

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    The Thinking Being

    Just grow up, move on and be your own person. That's all you need. You don't need to be around people you hate. Stop listening to the losers and get on with your life.
    13 Reasons gives the show an overly dramatic shadow as if things the people say and do are somehow supposed to matter. Learn ways to defend yourself. Talk to somebody. This mental health guy is trained specially to deal with all sorts of mental health issues. He didn't go and get a degree in psychology for nothing!
    Stupid girl

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    Eli Houston

    seeing the depiction of mr porter is fairly accurate to now mental health is shown in my high school and middle school. i was very open about how i was suicidal and i was a frequent person who came in for this reason and they always just brushed it under the rug and minimized what i was going through

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    Magnulus76

    This show deserves to be criticized. It sounds like teenage angst porn, and not a realistic treatment of the subject.

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    ladyi7609

    As a formerly suicidal person, I am eternally grateful to you for having put this video out because it makes all kinds of sense. Truly suicidal people don't wish to utilize it to exact revenge on people who wronged them/us or blame others for their/our actions; they/we are simply in agonizing, excruciating pain and only see one way out. I'm pissed off that this irresponsible bit of television exists and that there isn't more outrage about the show.

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    Ronivan Fontanez

    I have a problem with this video; its view from the perspective of a normal person, not a depressed one, nor someone who is going through the problems. The film shows exactly what is going through the person's mind while going all through this. I relate with her, because I experience most of the things she experienced, and even suicidal thoughts. I'm going through therapy right now, but I don't believe it will solve anything at all. The point is, the society which you are implying in your video is not us, me or people who are truly suffering, and its the same society that molded us the way we are today. The movie is bad for them, but not for us, because it shows the inconvenient truth on how the world actually is.

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    Dan Kramer

    The Lord gave us all a free gift, OUR LIFE, No charge. If we terminate it he becomes very unhappy with us. Don't expect to go to heaven if you do this.

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    I understand that people might not like the way the adults are presented but I also think sometimes to a teenager it does seem that adults are not available, only offer once to help a student and then feel the topic is over, don't listen, or just basically don't care. As most adults know, teens are hard to deal with, teachers and mental health professionals are often swamped, people get distracted, don't care sometimes, and yes are a-holes. I recall going through a very difficult time in high school and got no help from my prep school, or my teachers, or my school counselor, or my mother. My father passed away and if my mother hadn't sent me to a counselor outside of school I wouldn't have made it through high school. I understand not every teen will encounter so many not present adults, but it can happen. I think also the expectation that this series is supposed to be able to prevent teen suicide is too high of an expectation for what is a television show. I don't think any parent should just hand this show over and expect that ok, now everything is fine, but should, if they do watch it, to watch it together or separately and discuss what seems realistic, reasonable, the fact that of course Hannah is dead and gone, etc. Yes, the show fails in some ways, it doesn't talk about depression or mental health overtly but she does talk about feeling lost and hopeless. Not every person is going to recognize without the help of a counselor that they are depressed or struggling with a mental disorder but the show brings the topic to the forefront to begin discussion, because many families don't talk about this, many parents are scared to bring it up, or don't know how to open up the dialog, and this could be a way of talking about suicide. Also, there is no way to count the number of people who discussed this and got help, or sought help because of it. Also, even if there was a rise in suicide around the time this show was most popular, it doesn't necessarily mean this show is the reason, there are most likely several factors. Normally Top Tenz does a great job, but I think you'll really dropped the ball this time.

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    nosuchthing8

    Oh please. So if you had a choice of horrible torture or suicide, you think there is an underlying mental condition that causes suicide? Grow up. Its so easy to demolish such claims.

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    Brendon Thomas

    My mentor, a wonderful man who has worked with suicidal youth, said that he finds most who want to kill themselves don't really want to die. I'm shortening this for time, but if he asked why many said "They wanted to hurt other people. Make them sorry." And he would gently reply, "But you won't be there. You'll be gone."

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    UnNormal Human being

    You know, a lot of things happened to me last year and I felt like everything was wrong, so I thought that I should watch or read something that would made me feel a little bit better. A lot of people on internet said that this can help, well it made me feel even worse. And then this idea came :”What if I commit suicide?” I’m glad that everything is over now, but at my opinion this show propagates self harm.

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    Mike Burroughs

    I honestly didn't hate this show. I went in knowing it had a lot of problems, and had first-hand experience with a lot of the issues discussed, but I sort of liked some of the commentary it had on adults being largely oblivious.

    When I was a freshman, back in 2005/2006, I faced this exact challenge. Teachers pretended to not hear any comments I had made for fear of legitimizing it, counselors were strictly interested in GPA's and college selection processes, and my parents were … unavailable (I left home very early and couch surfed). I had a lot of underlying issues, and things finally came to a head. I had reached out to help from the teachers and faculty in my life, but they were busy or uninterested or would say there was a hotline for that and get me out of their offices. Finally, I attempted and ended up in a psych ward. When I got back, the same counselors asked why I didn't reach out.

    My point is this: maybe this was just my school, maybe it was the time. My school was large and faculty was overworked. But I was given the brush-off. When I did watch this, I had no trouble believing that Mr. Porter would behave the way he did, because my own counselor was just as half-heartedly half-listening. I'm glad people are upset about this now because it means it's getting better for kids in school now. But these resources just weren't there just a little more than a decade ago.

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    Milshare

    Kindness may not be enough to stop a suicide, but it sure as heck can't hurt. You never know when words and actions might pull someone back from the edge, or push them over it.

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    Tristan Culpepper

    I have attempted to take my own life, but I have made a choice not to give into that for myself it is weakness and I will not give anyone that satisfaction

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    Winston Jen

    Why is Al Qaeda more compassionate than pro-lifers?

    The 9/11 hijackers got to die instantly.

    Why is Auschwitz better than a hospice?

    You don't have to die naturally in Auschwitz.

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    Winston Jen

    Did suicide bombing increase after 9/11? Did 12-year-olds make homemade explosives? Did reporting on the Unabomber lead to more letter bombs?

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    Syndel Synical

    I couldn't finish this show. I was intrigued by it, but there was also something about it that really bothered me. Mr Porter does exist, but he's not typical. Her parents and Clay were the real victims of Hannah's selfish act. I felt so bad for them, that maybe that's why I couldn't finish it. Or maybe because it's terrible like you just described. You're right on almost all of these reasons.

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    Me_TJ_&_MrB

    I haven't seen this show but I have zero sympathy for school counselors.being "offended"
    School "counselors" are only a step above worthless from what I've seen in my lifetime. They spend most of their time carrying a coffee cup through the hallways acting as if they are indispensible to the school and student. Unless you are trying to get into a prestigious University or you have a reason that gives them a chance to get attention or their name and picture in the paper, then you are wasting their time. They are far too important for you and you should go talk to your Minister while they get their 7th coffee of the day or skip out and smoke a cigarette. I can attest to a young female student going to the counselor at her school because of physical abuse. Since the one abusing the student was a school employee at another district and friend of the counselor, she told the student that the abuser was"under stress and didn't mean to be that way" and also she would "talk to the abuser" which she did after being begged not to, leading to the student being beaten so badly she could barely sit in a chair because of the bruising. To which the counselor said " I know that you are upset, but "I have been assured by your abuser that this will not happen again, and we just need to keep this between us" "You just go stay with your friend for a couple of days and let this all blow over" The incident was reported to the counselor by a teacher and 4 other students who saw the bruising in PE class that day and the counselor told these people that the student "was telling a little lie and that no such thing happened and that it was all about getting attention." No parent or police were called, no report ever made, and no one ever helped that 12 yr old girl avoid her abuser. Yet that counselor still has her job and is retiring this year. The little girl is grown and did graduate weighing 89 pounds with her cap, gown,and clothes on. OH, and her weighted belt that she wore to hide the fact she was wasting away from Anorexia from the abuse that continued until she was 16. 4 years of hell that the counselor could have stopped with a phone call.
    Oh, and the abuser STILL works for the school district and will also retire with full benefits in a year.

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    Colette Waites

    It should have been 13 reasons why you should NOT kill yourself! I'm only here because my partner came home early one day, and now I've found out that I'm pregnant, another reason why I'm still aboard this train we call LIFE!. The show should have shown her considering it, with flashbacks to her reasoning for the decision, but getting help when she confides in her friend and parents! We need reasons why we shouldn't, not why we should!

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    Phyllis Dicks

    You hit the nail on the head, to use an old metaphor. "13 Reasons" is a revenge fantasy, pure and simple. Unfortunately, troubled teens may find that attractive. Now there's a third season of this travesty. The producers pretend to care about the issue, but it seems they only care about the money.

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    Apocalypse Gaming

    This show is cancer !! Stop watching this, especially people who are going through hard times.. It will make u believe that there is nothing worth living for. Please don't watch this crap

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    Idiot who draws

    When people commit suicide, or want to commit suicide, they view it as a way out of their situation. A last resort when they feel so hopeless and that there is no other way out. The show treats it as a revenge plot that Hanna uses to get back at the people who wronged her.

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