Citizens Assembly 2 Glasgow Nov – Day 2

Citizens Assembly 2 Glasgow Nov – Day 2


good morning everybody and welcome once again to our second not full day but second day of deliberation as the
citizens Assembly of Scotland and I trust everybody did have a good sleep
last night yes we are rested and ready to take on the tasks in hand and I just
wanted to first of all pass on my apologies to you from David for personal
reasons he’s not able to be here with us today however as you know all the work
that we are doing is being gathered on to the website and being live streamed
so he will be able to catch up with all your hard work and deliberations between
Nye and our next weekend and I think it’s fair to say that you did do a huge
amount of work yesterday M I was reflecting on the 67 outcomes that
you’ve pieced together that you’ll be working through today and it’s clear
that you were able to reflect on the ideas of individual happiness what makes
the good life the good country and the values and how they shape the country we
want to be and it feels that we genuinely are edging towards a common
view of the Scotland that we want to see for ourselves and for future generations
and I think the 67 statements that you’ll be working with today really do
encapsulate the the breadth and diversity of views across the assembly
although I’m still not quite sure if Scotland are ever going to win the World
Cup maybe not in football and maybe not in
man’s football you never know okay so we’re gonna move on today and
we’re gonna have time to discuss the broad vision and then take on the
extremely challenging task of narrowing down to agree those statements that are
that are most important to all or the majority of you and I think I need to
really reiterate my is that we are now moving to work as an assembly as a
collective group together we’re moving from the individual to to a collective
em endeavor and we’re going to find the most common ground and across the
assembly so you’ve got to demonstrate that I think the power is now in your
hands to demonstrate by respectful
deliberative discussion and we can make a difference and in doing that we’re
going to be um actually seeing through practically what the first minister said
on the 24th a 24th of April in her parliamentary statement I said this is
the last time to you but I think it’s it’s really important to reiterate again
why we are here and what we’re doing so the first minister said we should try to
find ways of debating our choices respectfully and in a way that seeks
maximum areas agreement we should lay a foundation that allows us to move
forward together whatever decisions we ultimately arrive at and I think it’s
important to reflect again that we are involved in a in an important and
historic event and we need to move together as one remember that we will
not be carrying forwards every statement but we’re we’re carrying forwards the
ones that are most important to us but rest assured that all the material that
you’ve worked on today and yesterday and the weekend before we’re not losing that
so all the material that is moving us forward will be kept will be on the
website we’ll be able to be reflected upon in others in other ways so please
don’t feel that any of your input is being lost because it really isn’t and
so once we once we agree our shared vision for the country and
we’re going to use the next three four weekends to really start digging them to
how do we best overcome the challenges faced by Scotland and the world
including as the results of brexit and what information to citizens require in
order to take informed decisions about the future it feels to me that we are at
a at a pivotal point in our work and and I commend you for your input
enthusiasm good humor and grace from yesterday and I’m really looking forward
to hearing what comes out of today so it’s gonna be a hard-working morning but
I sincerely hope you enjoy it and I sincerely hope you can all get behind it
so thank you very much and Kelly thank you very much good morning everyone
morning and so we’re really gonna get stuck right into it today so briefly
what we’re going to be doing today is we’re going to be revisiting all the
statements that came out of yesterday that’s going to be the first part of the
session and then what we’re going to be moving into doing is talking about pray
basically the priorities for the things that you want to discuss in future
weekends and also the list of things that we think represent the common
ground across the assembly so our starting point today essentially is
reviewing the 67 statements that came out of yesterday they’re the statements
that you wrote that was sorted and we refined and thank you for that that was
a it was it was amazing as I said yesterday to watch that task play out in
the room but what it’s enabled us to do is get to a point where you have created
what is now a manageable set of statements to help us identify that
common ground across the assembly and move forward into setting some
priorities and what we’re going to produce is essentially a first draft of
the kind of Scotland that you want to build and that’s something I’m sure we
will come back and revisit in future weekends and because all of the work
that you did yesterday was on different groups of statements what none of you
hurt although we did get a flavor at the end of the day when we shared some stuff
across the room but none of you heard all of the statements together so that’s
how we’re going to start on your tables each of you will have a
list of those 67 statements that I mentioned and your table facilitators
will hand them out in a moment but what they’re also going to do is that they’re
going to read out each of the statements in this next session and every table has
exactly the same statements but you have the statements in your printed lists in
a different and random order and there’s a reason for that we’ve done that
because often it’s easier to remember the first and last items in lists and we
don’t want to bias the decisions that you make later on so every table has the
same statements just in a different order so we’re going to get stuck right
in really and I’m gonna hand over to your table facilitators and you’re gonna
see what you came up with yesterday back in a while okay everybody could I am
please bring your attention back to the room just for a moment I’m just going to
explain what happens next for those of you that are still reviewing your
statements that’s absolutely fine please continue reviewing for another 10
minutes or so but for those of you that have gone through your lists you’ve got
a little bit familiar with everything and now you want to make a little bit of
progress on the next task I’m just going to explain what the task is and please
do move on to that as soon as you’re ready and so first of all I hope you
felt that the statements that you produced and that came out yesterday
reflected on balance the kind of country you want to build and of course we’ve
sought there a range of views from across the room but now we come to the
part where we take the statements that we’ve been working with and we make some
choices about how important they are so you’ll see that your facilitator has
each of those statements printed out individually we just maybe show you the
part of statements there so that is each of the statements that is on the same
list that you have just been reviewing but individually and your task now is to
gather those statements into three categories first category high-priority
so that’s where your table thinks that that statement is very important to
include in the Assembly’s vision low priority
where your table thinks the statement is important potentially but that is not
important that it should be included in the inset Belize of it vision so that
it’s not important that it should be included in the Assembly’s vision and
then there’s a medium priority and that’s for everything else that might be
for statements where you may be you know you’re not too sure on your table but
actually maybe you want to revisit it at the end Park it in your medium pile to
in order to make progress through the rest of the pile your table facilitator
though it’s going to lead you through the process now and by the end of this
process you should have sorted all of those 67 statements into one of those
three categories over to you okay everyone we’re all done we’re all done
and I think that works as I love a round of applause so please again fantastic
okay I’m just going to keep you very briefly but before we make some more
progress we go for a break I just wanted to take a very brief moment to reflect
on what you’ve just accomplished so what you’ve done this morning is that you’ve
considered whether a series of statements produced across the assembly
by you represent our common ground on the Scotland that we’re seeking to build
and through that I hope that you’ve shared your views you’ve heard the views
of other people you’ve reflected on those views and you’ve deliberated to
agree a list of high priority statements on what represents that common ground
across the assembly so that means that we’re of course some statements that
your table might not have decided reflected the common ground at this time
and you know just because they were put into that high priority pile it doesn’t
mean that that statement is lost as we said a few times every statement just
like those yesterday will be captured in the Event Reporting so everything will
be in the reports and please also bear in mind that every table has gone
through the same process and may well we don’t know yet may well have produced a
list of high priorities that’s a bit different so when we return from the
break you’ll get an indication of what has come up across the room so
what happens next is that during the break the facilitators will create a
list of the statements that came out most strongly and we’re doing it again
in the room so it’s over there if you want to go and watch Antony typing in
your statements you’re so welcome to go and do that I’m sure he would love it um
so yeah what we’re going for break but just before we do I am informed that it
may or may not be a couple of people’s birthdays in the room today I’m not
going to call them out unless they would like to identify themselves but we
thought it’d be nice to do a collective round of happy birthday maybe say
Assemblymember unless you do want to identify yourself I’ll give you a moment
fellow assembly member is the name we will put in so know I’ve kind of have to
do a karaoke moment and set this off don’t I that’s really awkward I’ve just
realized okay three two one hard peeper fellow assembly member okay go for your
break and please be back in 30 minutes so just around 11:30 please okay
everyone thank you for bearing with us for a little bit and we thought it’d be
good to give you an elongated break as well so you could kind of decompress
from the last session so some members wanted a little bit more time just to
kind of hang out and relax and just think about all the stuff we discussed
before we went into the next bit so I just want to start by letting you some
letting you know something about one of this statements has come up over the
session that we started yesterday so what a member has filed a note of
concern about one of the statements that was included in that list of 67 and they
perceived it to be discriminatory and then it may not be consistent with the
code of conduct that we’ve all signed up to so just wanted to let you know what’s
going to happen now is that where we will publish the list but without that
statement for the time being we will have space and there will be the
opportunity to clarify the intent of that statement if anyone would wish to
do so and we ask that you get in touch with the Secretariat in order to do that
so there will be space to clarify intent of the statement but just to let you
know that it won’t be published and you’ll see when everything is published
it’ll be clear what that statement was but I thought it was important to
explain that that was going to happen in the room so that you’re all aware so
that aside for now we’re moving on to something I hope you think is quite
exciting which is the announcement of the results from that process that
you’ve gone through this morning and we are well my glamorous assistant Antony
is hopefully hopefully hopefully gonna get up on the screen so fingers crossed
this is taking longer and I can’t keep this dance it’s like a lunge is it
working is it working oh-oh-oh teasing you now oh dear well that wasn’t
quite them open I was going for Oh Hey excellent fantastic so what you see here is a list
of the statements that came up across the assembly which you put in your
high-priority piles and you’ll see there that there may be some that certainly
came out of your high priority list there may be others that weren’t in your
high priority list but were thought to be high priorities by at least three of
the different tables in this room so we have a list here of 22 different things
so 22 different statements that across this room people felt were a high
priority so what we’re going to do now is we’re going to be working from this
list and from this list we’re going to be selecting what you think it’s most
important to discuss in future weekends so you’ve got a list there that’s maybe
a bit longer well definitely is a bit longer than the
ten that you came out with but what we’re focusing on now is what you want
to discuss in future weekends and actually it may be the case that even
though you thought things were really high priorities for that common
statement on the kind of Scotland in we’re seeking to build there might be a
few statements that actually although it wasn’t in that high priority we’d love
to discuss it with people from across Scotland and we think it would make for
a really interesting assembly discussion so I’m gonna hand over before we move
onto anything to Kate who’s going to give some reflection on everything that
we’ve just done and these announcements thank you very much and thank you to
Kelly for revealing our results and I think again I think you know my role
here is to mark the historic event this the hard work that you have just gone
through and I have to say you’ve deliberated and you’ve agreed hon on 22
statements for the kind of Scotland that you’re seeking to beed it’s seeking to
build sorry and I have to say walking around the room M if we could harness
deliberative to be it as a knuble energy I think would have sold
half our problems in the first place there was heat
there was fire and there’s also hugging and but there was concern and
consideration and I just want to reiterate it with you that we are we are
operating in a kind of a risky environment you are taking a risk with
us and and we’re all moving forward into a new vision of how we do things
but please do reflect very clearly on the the rules of engagement that we have
set out with each other and that we carry on em as these risks grow that we
carry on with respect and and responsibility so it is really quite
serious stuff that we’re that we’re getting into now
but please do again congratulate yourselves on that incredibly intense
hour-and-a-half and which I hope you feel that the the building blocks have
taken to that point where we could really and if that’s my mother tell her
I’m a bit busy and okay so yeah can we just you know reflect on the seriousness
but also congratulate yourselves again once again on this incredibly hard work
I was almost a bit teary actually as I was walking around and there was a kind
of a swell of pride and I hope despite the difficult decisions we’ve made
despite the difficult discussions we’ve had that that you can you can genuinely
feel that pride to em so for the record and for the cameras can we have a just a
round of applause for each other and how you’ve dealt with us okay so yeah risks em and I’ve mentioned
earlier on that we’ll be working after the general action a risky proposition
perhaps to promote the vision and get the people of Scotland and talking about
the citizens assembly now I feel that you have really stepped up to the plate
and really engaged with this process and I and David and the Secretariat and
everybody who’s involved in this process will be taking it out to Scotland to
really shout it from the rooftops about how um how important this is and I’d
really encourage you as members to do so as well through your friends and through
your families and through sharing stories with us and through the website
and but yeah just don’t underestimate at what you’re doing don’t underestimate
how uncomfortable it may make you feel at times don’t underestimate your point
in history and so thank you sincerely again and I’m gonna come back to Kelly
hopefully yes more spontaneous applause if you want fantastic so actually just here to hand
you back to your table facilitators who will take you through the next part of
the process and so you should have the the list on your table they’ll take you
through that list of 22 statements that we’re going to be discussing now over to
you it really is over to you hi all I’ve had a couple of questions so I just
wanted to clarify to the room that there are four things that you’re being asked
to consider as you’re going through those process and that’s what’s up on
the slide here I’m just going to quickly read it so you do have it at the
forefront of your mind they are that the statement would require quite different
choices about how to move forward that decisions will have a major impact on
the future of Scotland that it’s likely to be difficult to take decisions on an
agreed basis and that the statement has constitutional implications requiring
either changes to how and by whom decisions about the country or taken or
the different governments and Parliament’s to work together to
implement decisions so that’s just guidance it’s not hard criteria so your
statements don’t have to meet all of that but it’s just to guide your
thinking cuz remember what we’re doing now is selecting priorities for
discussion at future weekends so just please keep that in mind as you’re as
you’re going through your deliberations thank you okay everyone can I please
bring the room back together oh thank you okay
so now what’s gonna happen so you’ve just gone through a process there where
you’ve selected your priorities for discussion future weekends I’m gonna ask
a representative from each of the tables to come up and share the top three so
just the top three from that list although where you may have had a joint
top three up I’ll allow you four but please no more than that if possible I
know I’m sorry I’m sorry and then you all share that
the room and Anthony again and sneak of a wave Alou is sitting here and is very
very diligently entering your scores into a sheets which is tallying them as
we go so what that means is that in the room very swiftly we will have the
result and we’ll be able to share that with be able to share that with you so
you know this is my Eurovision moment I’m going to be the announcer I’m gonna
look out guide us through this process I think we’re gonna start with Table one
and then go in order so just so you know to be prepared and I am going to ask you
to come to the front of the room so just where I’m standing right now that’s okay
so please be prepared to do that although if you do need us to come to
you with a mic just flag and I’m happy to run over to but please do come to the
front of the room oh wow you already here you Table one right I was gonna say
table one come on up but I’ll do it for the rest maybe okay we get to go Table
one we had some good debate thank you thank you
we had some quite intense debates some quite long ones we had to kind of hurry
along but our first one we’ve come up where that was number two was to invest
and provide a thriving and fit for purpose health service and then our
second one was number seven to be a social responsible taking care of the
most vulnerable in society and our third one was number one where the sustainable
society we’re balanced and a vitamin economic and social impact for the good
of container citizens Table two come on up top three ish
please so our first one was invest and improve
aid a thriving fit for purpose health service number two our second one was
provide a free world-class education for all and our third one was have a strong
and stable public service for all Table three time to shine well our three from
Table three were the first three on the list but not in that order okay could
anybody hear me now okay yeah just to repeat I we chose the the first three on
the list actually on your printed list here but not in the same order so number
one is number one which is to be a sustainable society where we balance our
environmental economic and social impact for the good of the country and its
citizens – we came up with provided a free world-class education for all and
number three invest in and provide a thriving and fit for purpose Health
Service table for so on yeah but we tend to be I had some to see me to be to be
just done this Versailles packed with on three so I don’t know
just checking I’ve done it right no but any chalk up in amongst Versailles Bell
sat quietly and read would be wanted and chose were tops me so well have we done
it rain I well they’ve done it different number our number warning Olli it was
brought return that was to be a sustainable society we rebalance our
environmental economic social impact daddy dad number number one number two
it was actually number 13 our second one and it was we will improve or in loving
standards and quality of life for everyone in the future and your third
choice was number two and invest and provide a thriving and
federal public health service thank you very much next table please nice to see you guys and we actually
have four ounce or so hands we’ve got a joint first and I joined 33 Young Saeng
in for anyone aim right joint first are number one and number 22 so I like
grease be a sustainable Society blah blah blah and number 22 provide a
tolerant safe secure and stable environment for all people to grow then
or joint third whereas answers to and 13 and those are investing and provide a
thriving and fit for purpose health service and 13 which was will improve on
living standards and quality of life for everyone now and in the future all right
Table six come on up please Table six you get a bit more suspense as
we move across the room now because it takes a bit longer hello um our first
priority was to be a stable Society yeah you know the rest and number two was
have bare income and very loving wasters just poverty and number three was to
have a greater and stronger state pension Table seven please come on up alright for table number seven our first
priority was number three provide a free world-class education for all our second
priority was number two invest in and provide a freighting and fit for purpose
Health Service and our four priority was number five be prosperous and
financially secure country thank very much Table eight please Table
eight Louie thank you at my first phone was number two invested in provider
driving and fit for purpose Health Service the second one was number 11 be
democratic fear honest transparent and inclusive under third one was number 22
provider tolerant safe secure and civil environments for all people to draw Table nine please Table nine our first
three priorities that we discussed was number one to have better incomes a
better living wage to reduce the poverty number two was to have a greater and
stronger state pension and our number three was to be a sustainable society
where we can balance our environmental economic and social impact for the good
of our country and its essence thank you number 10 please nice actually yeah we should have done
that for everyone at Table ten our first choice was number one be a
sustainable Society our second choice was number two invest in and provide a
thriving and fit for purpose Health Service and her third choice was number
five be a prosperous and financially secure country thank you table 11 is on
the way Kuban aha votes from Luxembourg that was my Gallic anyway our first word
was number 16 Dettol number two was number two number three was number eight
very efficient my need to decode that little bit me huh next table please hello April 12 12 table 12 my table are
very shy so our number one is number 22 provided tolerance safe secure and
stable environment for all people to grow our number two is number six to be
free of poverty and our number three is number two invest in and provide a
thriving and fifth purpose Health Service two more tables left number 13 is your
time come on up table 13 thank you thank you very much
good afternoon table for table 13 our first scene was be a sustainable society
where we balance our environmental economic and social impact for the good
of the country and its citizens our second Dean was be free of poverty and
our Ferdie was how a strong and stable public service for all okie our final
table table 14 hello hello can you hear me yeah I was gonna do some of
tennyson’s poetry for you but I thought I saw that you never did any of mine
number one we had does have better incomes and a better living wage to
reduce poverty number two was number four provide
housing for everyone and number three was have equal opportunities for all
thank you so so now we keep you in suspense
but just for a wee while so Anthony is just here he is how I getting on Anthony
Table seven can we have your results please okay oh there we go brilliant so we keep you in suspense for
two minutes and the results will be here so please chat amongst yourselves
thank you okay everybody thank you very much I can’t promise you sir John Curtis
I can’t promise you a swingometer but I can give you the results of the vote
which are on the slide that in a moment I get the right little bit of dongle I
will be able to put up so it was unsurprisingly quite closely related to
what your earlier vote was but I will show you the results there was a very
clear thing that you want to talk about and assuming this works this time with a
bit less faff the must there you go okay so you can see that at the bottom it’s a
bit of an eyesight test I’m afraid the most popular one was invest in and
provide a thriving and fifth purpose Health Service so health service and
health service provision is one of the things you want to talk about also a
sustainable society where we balance our environmental economic and social impact
where we have better incomes at a better living wage another topic you want to
discuss and just to pick up a couple of the others further down the list which
were a little bit less popular but still kind of quite high up tolerant safe
secure and stable environment for all people to grow in housing and education
all came up as topics that you want to talk about so they’ll be they’ll be fed
into the process of setting the agenda which obviously is for the conveners to
do so I’m going to ask Kate to reflect briefly on the outcomes of this and so
thank you very much and congratulations again on getting to this point I know
it’s been it’s been a Sparky and involved discussion under bit but I
think that’s why we’re here oh no it’s gone dogged only by technological issues
so hopefully in a moment you’ll be able to review again em where the priorities
of the assembly lie where you as a group people have come together and
deliberated aha it’s very small oh very large writing again okay but
remember this is not this is not black and white this is not an exact science
and the themes are engaging and it’s it’s clear from your deliberations
across the weekend that we know the areas that you want to consider in much
more detail we understand your priorities and we can get on with the
process of gathering evidence to allow this is the kind of the what and now we
need to look at the high and the how do we change things no could I have a show
of hands for anybody who wants to meet for the next 67 weekends oh yes because
we had 67 priorities and we just don’t have the time no at this point you’re
all meant to leave the room going you must be joking I’m just gonna ignore
those people I am just going to ignore those people no I think I think we have
to be clear we you know we’ve got 67 priorities some people actually blanched
there for a moment oh no and so you know we’ve had to there has to be a process
to sift through we haven’t got 67 weekend’s despite obvious enthusiasm in
the room and we’ve got it we’ve got four weekends and we can’t cover everything
so we’re going to be analyzing this these results um and and nuancing and
choosing the topics where we can make recommendations and that will lead to
real changes in Scotland so nothing is lost I think I’ve said that a number of
times nothing is lost and and if you have comments or if you have ideas and
thoughts and you know there’s still there’s still time you are the assembly
you you can nuance you can you can discuss endure be it but we’ve only got
four weekends and so we’ll be taking across those areas that will have a
major impact on the future of Scotland and where is likely to be difficult to
reach decisions through consensus so we’ll be putting the very difficult
stuff on the table to you so I think over the last two weekends we’ve built
trust and we’ve built relationships and it and it has allowed us to debate em
respectfully and I I applaud you for that and I and I hope we can take about
four words and because because we as the assembly this is a new thing for
Scotland and we need to make sure that everybody out with this room recognizes
that it is possible to make real progress on difficult issues whenever
people are brought together when we are balanced credible and accessible and
evidence is presented and we have a period of deliberation and where
everybody can find some common ground on difficult issues and move forwards
together I think the main message that I’m taking from this weekend is a you’re
absolutely up for this which is great but be is that to gain something we have
to give something up and and I think collectively we have matured as an
assembly over the last two weekends and I think we’re probably ready to delve
into some of those difficult discussions where if we want to see a better future
we recognize what we can gain but also what we may have to give up to get there
and perhaps we could share that message with some of our soon-to-be elected
members because I’m not quite sure they’re quite as good at that as you are
in the room okay so you’ll be pleased to hear that whenever you hear my voice
were either at the start or something over at the end I can reassure you for
this weekend we are at the end please reflect on the hard work you’ve done
enjoy your lunch and muse over the next five weekends about where we go next and
and also celebrate the change of the year in whichever way you see fit and
finally one administrative task I’ll hand back to Kelly but for me sincere
thank you thank you everyone so sure there’s one
administrative task left but it is a very important one and that is the
research to conclude the weekend so we have the Research Forum switch your
table facilitators are just about to hand out but as they’re doing that I
really want to congratulate you for what you have achieved this weekend’s you’ve
come to agreement on a set of priorities that we will now be taking forward for
discussion some of those priorities I’m aware that the Secretariat are planning
to do some things like situation reports on the topics that have come out here
there are opportunities if you’d like to discuss with the Secretariat between
weekends just to give a bit more information about why you think you what
you’d like to discuss within some of these priorities the kind of evidence
that you’d like to see coming up through them and their work on that process of
producing some information to inform you as we move through the future weekends
so yes I just want to congratulate you again I just want to ask you to complete
this final admin task and if you do have time your table facilitators have paper
for you to just write a postcard to yourself and that’s just to capture
three things that you’d like to remember going into the next weekend so they’re
just three things you’d like to remember we’re collect them in and we give them
back to you at the start so please if you do have time to do that it’d be
fantastic if you did and then we’re off for lunch and saying our goodbyes so
thank you so much for your hard work thank you

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