Civil War v Justice League: Dawn of Character Development (Video Essay)

Civil War v Justice League: Dawn of Character Development (Video Essay)


Hey, remember that superhero movie where the billionaire with the high-tech suit recruits a young version of a fan-favorite, famous superhero to join his team of other famous superheroes? Yeah me too. I’m gonna play two scenes for you, one is from (Captain America) Civil War, one is from Justice League. Got it? Please watch both clips, just don’t skim through because you know, attention span. [Blackpink slaying in background] Bruce: Barry Allen… Bruce Wayne. I know you have abilities I just don’t know what they are. Barry: My special skills include viola, web design, fluent in sign language… Whoever you’re looking for… Barry: You’re the Batman? Bruce: So you’re fast. Barry: That feels like an oversimplification… Bruce: I’m putting together a team… People with special abilities… You see, I believe enemies are coming… Barry: Stop right there. I’m in. Bruce: You are? Barry: Yeah, I – I need friends. So what did we just learn about Barry Allen? He likes to joke around, he hates brunch Barry: …wait in line for an hour for essentially lunch! …and he needs a friend and that’s it. Now, let me ask you a question: Why is he the Flash? Not how he’s the Flash? but why? Why does he want to help people? Why did you want to risk his own life to protect the earth? What are his defining motivations? I don’t know maybe he doesn’t have any, maybe he does, we just don’t know them yet. That’s more interesting. What if he doesn’t want to help anyone yet? What if, through his time with the League, through Batman’s motivational speeches: Batman: Save one. Flash: One? Batman: Save one person. Flash: Oh. Flash: Wh-Which one? Batman: Don’t talk. Don’t fight. Get in. Get one out. Flash: And…and then? Batman: You’ll know. Flash: Okay ..He learns what it means to be a hero, but in justice league, he doesn’t have much of an arc. All right now let’s watch civil war Peter: Hey May Aunt May: Oh, hey Aunt May: How was school today? Peter: It’s okay Tony: Oh Mr. Parker Peter: Hey! I’m – I’m I’m Peter Tony: Tony Tony: Can I have five minutes with him? Aunt May: Sure Tony: Thrift store? Salvation army? Peter: Uh, the garbage actually- Tony: You’re a dumpster diver Peter: Yeah, i was… Peter: A-anyway, look, I’m Tony: Ah, ah, me first That’s you, right? Peter: Uhm, no. Peter: What do you…what do you..? Tony: Yeah? Tony: Look at you go Tony: Wow nice catch 3,000 pounds 40 miles an hour Tony: That’s not easy Tony: You got mad skills Tony: Spider boy? Peter: S…Spider-man Tony: Not in that onesie, you’re not Tony: Who else knows? Anybody? Peter: Nobody Tony: You know what I think is really cool? Tony: This webbing Tony: Tensile strength is off the charts. Tony: Who manufactured them? Peter: I did Tony: Why are you doing this? Tony: I got to know, what’s your memo? Tony: What gets you out of that twin bed in the morning? Peter: Because i’ve been me my whole life Peter: And i’ve had these powers for six months Tony: mm-hmm Peter: I read books, I build computers Peter: and…and yeah I would love to play football Peter: but i couldn’t then so i shouldn’t now Tony: Sure, cause you’re different Peter: Exactly. Peter: But i can’t tell anybody that so i’m not Peter: When you can do the things that I can but you don’t and then the bad things happen they happen because of you. Tony: So you wanna look out for the little guy. You wanna do your part. Make the world a better place all that, right? Peter: Yeah, yeah, yes Peter: Just looking out for the little guy Peter: That’s-That’s what it is. So what did we just learn about Peter Parker? He cares about his aunt, he had this powers for six months, but most importantly, we know why he spider-man. Peter: When you can do the things that I can but you don’t and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you That’s his defining trait. He feels a sense of responsibility to help others. And where is that come from? Guilt. Peter Parker’s defining motivation is guilt. That’s what Tony sees in him because that’s Tony Stark’s motivation as well It always has been. Lady: Who’s going to avenge my son, Stark? He’s dead and I blame you. We know everything we need to know about Peter Parker in less than five minutes. We spend a studio mandate time of two hours with the Flash but never learned what’s important. We learn what makes Barry Allen super, but not what makes him a hero. That’s the difference between good superhero films and bad ones. The good ones focus on the hero not super. The DCEU started to grasp that with Wonder Woman, so hopefully they’ll continue to or you know just hire the marvel guys who wrote homecoming because when in doubt marvel it out. “Before it blows” “Everybody knows” Thanks for watching guys I may have been a little harsh the truth is I don’t hate justice league I think Superman’s great minus the mustache and all it’s pretty enjoyable I just want DC movies to be better I’m a huge DC fanatic For god’s sakes I made a Robin fan film which you can check out the teaser for on my channel. Hope you guys enjoy, remember to share this vid and smash that sub button for more essays shorts and all things comics See ya!

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    HiTop Films

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    ThatOneGuy xd

    Pissed that Tony asked what motivates Peter, Peter was supposed to say "Well my Uncle told me 'With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility'."

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    Vinicius Miranda

    Something always bothered me with the flash scene, when he says "that feels like an oversimplification", you can ser he's taking in air to keep talking, but the scene just cuts abruptly, I thought it was for the trailers and it was a joke they were keeping for the release, were he goes into great length to explain his powers, like a big nerd.
    To me, Barry lacks a character moment like that, I would edit the scene with Barry explaining his powers and then Bruce goes: "So you're fast", to which he delivers the oversimplification line.
    Idk, I kept waiting for something like that, and it never came.

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    Dino Monzon

    Marvel always was Way Better than DC. And Marvel focuses on Script/Story/ Characters FIRST- and fans can Identify with Marvel's characters; not with DC since the Chris Reeve Superman films & Michael Keaton's Batman, and Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman.

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    zombiecupcakes01

    The scene from Civil War is so stale and boring. Characters just explaining themselves is the dullest way to develop character. The scene is uninteresting and devoid of conflict. Among the two scenes, it's a complete draw for me.

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    BEASTMASTER73 BEYOND O

    Posed question NO ONE HERE EVER STARTED OFF OR HAD A HARD YIME IN LIFE IM SURE YOU ALL BEEN RICH FROM BIRTH. UR ALL AMAZING ! LOL

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    The Slasher

    Meh, both movies are pretty bad. But at least Civil War kept me awake. Unlike Justice League, Captain America 1 and Winter Soldier. They were boooooooooring.

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    Roger Stevens

    Guess all what it takes its Good directors and a script with quality
    I really enjoyed in a way JL but theres was something that it didnt keep on mind…
    The Soul of the stories …. It doesnt matter if you are comic accurate because our soul its the basic esscence of what made us who we are.

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    Juanito G

    Amazing how every dceu film can be described as the shit version of a marvel film!
    Civil war also shares a lot of plot points with bvs.
    Justice league and infinity war (cgi giant teleports around locations looking for magic macguffins which he needs to collect all of)

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    Nicholas Frandsen

    Isn’t this subject rather tired? It just seems like you’re beating a dead horse at this point. PS Batman Beyond did it first.

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    johann abreu

    HiTop what you’re completely missing is the purpose of the scene. In Civil War, they have to accomplish it ALL in one intro scene bcs right after they go right into the airport battle scene. On the other hand in JL, they had the entire movie to flesh that out. And he simply doesn’t have an arc cuz the movie is all chopped up. I also want DC to be better

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    Wisanu Risser

    Can we talk about how colorful and vibrantly comic booky your coloring on the Civil War clips were, ESPECIALLY the Spidey v Bucky and Falcon

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    Brubaker

    I all honesty, they should’ve called Captain America: Civil War Iron Man 4, or Iron Man and Friend Fight Captain America and his Friends

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    TheBigBadTatt

    Although I do agree that DC has the problem of prioritising moments over character and story I feel this was a clear false equivalency. Firstly, this is because of the two characters you neglected to analyse Bruce and to a lesser extent Toney. One is an engineer he likes to take things apart understand each inch of them and put them back together, he is an extrovert who would ask invasive questions. The other is a detective who likes to find the information relevant to help him in his goals and nothing more, as an introvert he would have no interest or concern for the emotional motives driving someone only the functional usefulness of them. The second is scene choice, you partly highlight this in the video, Barrys relationship with his father and his goal of proving his innocence is parcelled out over the course of the entire movie, Peters motives, however, are laid out in one scene due to his character being shoehorned in at the last possible moment. While I do agree Civil War does it better I still feel this should be highlighted.

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    Hirst Movies /Hirst Productions

    Everyone kept asking for Spider-Man so they just had to throw him in at the last minute but it makes sense cuz of homecoming after it

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    Jack Black Man

    Very good video, but the continuation of the whimsical music used to back the dialogue from 4:40 to 4:48 seems kinda conflicting with what's being said there lol

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    Muhammed I. Jhaban

    ast, i know it's an over simplification barry.. i'm trying to talk, thank you.. i was saying ? barry.. i did't say what i was saying, you messed up my timeline again!!

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    Muhammed I. Jhaban

    Flash want's to help people because he is fast, and was just asked by batman to join a team was super abilities..

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    lynKx :P

    3:03, 4:28
    Spider Sense.
    This has nothing to do with the essay but just pointing it all out. There is one other scene but I can't remember.

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    MX Bravo

    Civil War is arguably still one of the best MCU movies, while JL is even worse of a hatchet job than Suicide Squad :/

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    Bruce Wayne

    Well, we don't know all that stuff from the flash because 1) we were set to have a Flash solo film and 2) WB messed up by mixing Snyder's tone with Whedon's comedy shit

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    Will Ross

    5:17 literally dude shut the fuck up. Joss Whedon RUINED Justice League. Even though some people say that Snyder's vision was "too dark", he had already started his thing with Justice league and WB should have let him finish instead of hiring a Marvel director. It's not that EVERY DC movie has to be dark, it's just Snyder's vision. I love the lightheartedness of Aquaman, Shazam, and Wonder Woman so just shut up

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    Sneaky Intel Gamer

    The only reason I hate DC is that they made super man the most powerful also if they have left superman dead in batman Vs super man then there will be a balance. I don't wanna hurt DC Fans but it's a fact

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    ThePapermage

    The DCEU spent plenty of time on the heroes and what motivates them to be heroes…until Zack Snyder was kicked out and the JL movie was chopped to pieces. We know for a fact there are more scenes with the Flash and more time spent on his character and motivations because of all the scenes from the trailers and unfinished VFX clips. Not only were those scenes cut for time, but they were replaced with crappy jokes about brunch. It's another reason they need to #releasetheSnyderCut.

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    White haired badass

    no…i hated the justice league movie that was just a dumpster fire….how was i supposed to feel about that villain?…and batman?…batman was suppposed to be the leader bur he was legit just nothing…the superman comeback was kinda stupid and empty…the whole goddamn movie was goddamn boring it was a hot…no a luke warm mess….i also hated how supermans powers made the whole damn league soooo…..stupid…like he was as fast as or maybe even faster than the flash with the added perk of super strenght. like tf at that point one character messes up the whole damn franchise. im really glad they left him out of aquaman for that reason…..aquaman was entertaining i have to say. it was a movie just to be cool and fun, not deep or sentimental….it did its job.

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    ByanRodnar

    lmao what if Barry Allen WASN'T the guy he was looking for? Like he'd have just killed a teenager and revealed his identity.

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    Some random THOT on the internet

    ENDGAME SPOILER
    ENDGAME SPOILER
    ENDGAME SPOILER

    Why didn’t the Universe “die” or “corrupt” or “lose balance” when Thanos snapped the stones away?

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    adam bump

    What writers fail to realize is that Bat Man could never have a surrogate Father/Son relationship with someone who's like the Flash while Iron Man and Spider Man can because they are very much alike.

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    Rant Radio

    Seeing this scene again, and having watched marvel movies Several times, does anyone get the feeling that Tony was like "gahh, he's just like Cap with his looking out for the lil guy."

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    Somisetty Chaitanya

    I think you're missing the point here.Tony stark is recruiting peter parker just for a fight with captain America whereas bruce is recruiting barry allen to save the world. So bruce doesn't care for Barry Allen's motivations. He only cares for his abilities.

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    Taha Badar

    lol this is stupid as all marvel movies…lol flash character was better done as his.motives and experience both were shown and you didnt mention iron man had less development in all these movies but batman was better established in two movies marvle fans are retards

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    Darian F

    Dc comic book animations are better than their movies and dceu could be better than mic if they followed the story telling, character development of their cartoons

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    loc man

    So this guy wants every movie to be an orgin story. BOOOORRRRIIINNNGGGG? Well, if you are real comic fan.

    For casual fans, I get his point.

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    Movie talk with LR

    Were you expecting DC to steal lines from Marvel. And did you just make a reference stating that Josh Weadon tried making Justice League better. Because all he really did was try to make a non Avengers movie as close to an Avengers movie as he could. And it didn't work.

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    Óscar HCT

    Watching this video after Homecoming and FFH videos, it makes you think what could have been if the Russo brothers had been implicated in them.

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    xxxPrincessxxx Jay

    Loved that 'everybody knows' outro at 5:18. Reminded me of the HISHE version…..'everybody knows that justice league blows'.
    Great analysis as always x

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    FAHAD SHAIKH

    The way you ended this video.. is what makes you on the right position of your argument.. and also want to tell you that I'm a fan of yours coz the way you explain movies (especially sam raimi trilogy) as I'm a Tobey Spidey Fan too. So yeah you are doing a great job.. wish you all the success. But now I really want to make my point of view on your this video explanation about what I felt: see I know.. like we all know.. even the DCEU fans know too that JL was a rush.. ofcourse it was.. but for me the best thing in that movie is actually Ezra's Flash, that could be a really different opinion.. but that is what is it. And yeah I agree that this Barry meeting Bruce is highly way a cheap try inspired from Civil war's "Tony Peter" scene, but as in this video here as you stated a remark about how Barry's arc that "why he is flash/ superhero" thing, I want to say one thing that..for me it kinda worked as we actually got introduced to that when we saw Barry meeting his father in the jail. That full scene is an explanation answer to your "why" which you pointed out into this. I'm not a only "DC fanboy" or any "Marvel fanboy".. I am an ordinary "Marvel & DC fan".. and for me it's isn't that hard to understand a character or his buildup into the story arc. Yes the facts that you stated are true and I agree at the same time but also there's an answer to it. Btw keep up the great work, and love all your Raimi Tobey Spidey Trilogy videos.. make 'em more please!!! Thank you

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    Lita Zo

    DC didnt build their characters at all, they just focused on their super powers only . There's no emotions associated with the characters of DC .
    on the other hand we love the heros of marvels and then their powers

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    Lita Zo

    also the fact that marvel didn't even had full rights over their characters . IRON MAN was do or die . while DC has every characters from the very beginning

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    PsychicGirl

    I've always thought that Marvel has better heroes, but DC has better villains. If DC wants to gain ground, they should focus on developing iconic villains, because it's definitely a glaring weakness for Marvel. Maybe the new Joker movie will give us some of that.

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    El Snob del Barrio

    I really like the scene where Peter is introduced into the MCU.. he really felt a lot like an introverted guy.. Idk why.. but I've always thought that that was an important characterstic of PETER PARKER and once he suited up he would feel the empowerment and that's when the personality of SPIDER-MAN came into play.. definitely the Russo's direction shows that there was an understanding of Peter being an outcast.. and even though he is likeable he really feels like one… Idk if I'm explaining myself, my point is.. I think Holland's best incarnation of Spider-Man is still the one on Civil War

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