Family Of Tortured US Citizen Sues Kim Jong-Un

Family Of Tortured US Citizen Sues Kim Jong-Un


WHILE THE LEADERSHIP OF NORTH
AND SOUTH KOREA ARE POTENTIALLY MOVING TOWARDS PEACE, OR AT
LEAST GETTING A LITTLE CLOSER, THE FAMILY OF OTTO WARMBIER IS
ALSO MOVING CLOSER TO SOMETHING CAN THAT’S THEIR LAWSUIT AGAINST
NORTH KOREA — IF YOU DON’T RECALL THIS
STORY — I WOULD DESCRIBE THAT AS TOO
MUCH. THAT SEEMS A LITTLE OUT OF CONTROL. AND IT WENT IN AN EVEN
DARKER DIRECTION — HE WAS EFFECTIVELY ON THE
BRINK OF DEATH WHEN THEY FINALLY RETURNED HIM, AND HE
DIED SHORTLY THEREAFTER, NOW THEY ARE SUING. IT WAS HORRIFIC. BLIND, DEAF,
I THINK I SAW SOMETHING THAT HIS PARENTS WERE SEEING HIS TEETH
LOOK LIKE THEY HAD BEEN PULLED OUT AND REARRANGED. CLEARLY TORTURED. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WHO SPENT
SOME TIME IN NORTH KOREA AS CAPTIVES, AND IT’S NOT PRETTY. WE KNOW THIS GOING INTO IT,
WHICH IS WHAT IS SO UPSETTING. BUT I WAS OBSESSED WITH THIS
STORY WHEN IT ALL STARTED HAPPENING, SO I STARTED DOING
RESEARCH INTO THE TOUR GROUP HE WENT WITH, AND JUST WHY ANYONE
WOULD, AND ALL OF THE DRINKING INVOLVED, AND THIS AND THAT,
NONE OF IT MAKES IT OKAY, IT’S JUST IT WASN’T SURPRISING
UNFORTUNATELY THAT THIS IS HOW IT ENDED. I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHY THOSE
THINGS ARE GOING ON, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, MAYBE WE ARE MOVING
TOWARD A PLACE WHERE WE CAN DO THAT SORT OF THING. I KNOW A GUY WHO IS A
PHOTOGRAPHER WHO HAS BEEN IN A GROUP WHERE THEY ARE LIKE, WOULD
YOU LIKE TO GO PHOTOGRAPH NORTH KOREA? AND FREQUENTLY WHEN THEY
RECOUNT THEIR STORIES THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO TOE THE LINE
BETWEEN REPORTING ACCURATELY ON WHAT HAPPENED, BUT ALSO TRYING
TO GET INVITED BACK AGAIN. SO THAT’S THE DIFFICULT LINE TO
WALK. THERE’S A GREAT BOOK, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT’S
CALLED THE ORPHANMASTER’S SON, IT’S WRITTEN BY SOMEONE WHO WENT
ON ONE OF THOSE DELEGATIONS, AND ITS FICTION LIES IS IT IN LINE
WITH HOW WEIRD AND FICTITIOUS THE EXPERIENCE IN NORTH KOREA
ACTUALLY FEELS, IT CRAFTS A COMPELLING NARRATIVE TO
COMMUNICATE IF NOT THE EXACT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THERE,
BUT THE TRUTHS, AND THEY DRAW ON REAL THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED
IN NORTH KOREA. LIKE KIM JONG-IL SAYING I LIKE THAT JAPANESE
OPERA STAR, KIDNAP HER AND BRING HER BACK. AND THAT HAPPENS,
THERE ARE KIDNAPPINGS ALL THE TIME. PEOPLE SNEAKING INTO SOUTH
KOREA, KIDNAPPINGS, SMUGGLING THINGS BACK, A LOT OF THE
ECONOMY IS BASED ON COUNTERFEIT AND GRAFT, IT’S WEIRD. I HAVE TO READ THIS BOOK NOW. IT’S AMAZING. BUT THIS STORY
IS ONE OF, WHAT ARE WE SAYING TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH
IT, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH ME THIS MORNING, WHAT
MESSAGE DOES IT SEND THAT WE ARE ESSENTIALLY LOOKING FOR PEACE,
WHAT DO WE SAY TO THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE AMERICANS WHO HAVE GONE
THROUGH THESE TERRIBLE EXPERIENCES, AND TO PEOPLE WHO
HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE WORST DURING THIS? WHAT ABOUT THE THREE WHO ARE
STILL THERE? ARE WE APPEASING THEM? WHAT DO
YOU THINK? AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE NOTED YOU
DON’T MAKE PEACE WITH YOUR FRIENDS, YOU ONLY MAKE PEACE
WITH YOUR ENEMIES, THAT THE ONLY PERSON YOU CAN, AND IN EVERY
CONFLICT THERE WILL BE TERRIBLE STUFF. AND IN SOME CASES, THEY
HAVE SET UP TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMITTEES AND
THINGS LIKE THAT BUT NOT GONE FORWARD ON PROSECUTING CLEAR WAR
CRIMES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. IT COULD BE THAT THAT IS
NECESSARY TO GET NORTH KOREA TO JOIN THE REST OF US RIGHT NOW,
BUT I WILL SAY THIS: I WANT PEACE THERE, BUT PEACE IS NOT
THE ABSENCE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS. PEACE ISN’T EVEN THE ABSENCE OF
ARTILLERY AIMED AT SEOUL. PEACE IS THE PEOPLE OF NORTH KOREA NOT
BEING BRUTALIZED AND ENSLAVED AND TORTURED AND MURDERED. AND I
DON’T KNOW IF THAT CAN HAPPEN NOW OR IF IT HAS TO HAPPEN OVER
THE COURSE OF DECADES, BUT I KNOW THAT IF WHAT COMES OUT OF
THIS IS THEY ACTUALLY DO DENUCLEARIZE AND PULL SOME OF
THEIR FORCES AWAY FROM THE BORDER THAT WOULD BE GREAT BUT
IF THAT ALLOWS KIM JONG-UN AND HIS SONS OR WHATEVER TO RULE FOR
ANOTHER 100 YEARS AND THE PEOPLE OF NORTH KOREA ARE IN THE SAME
STATE AS THEY ARE NOW, HOW IS THAT PEACE IN ANY MEETING OF THE
WORD? THAT IS WHAT IS ANGERING
PEOPLE WHEN THEY SEE HIM SMILING AND BEING CHEERED ON, THEY ARE
HOLDING HANDS AND CROSSING THE BORDER, AND HIS SISTER IS BEING
CELEBRATED AT THE OLYMPICS, AND SHE IS OUR NEW SHADE QUEEN,
THAT IS WHAT IS FORGOTTEN I THINK IN THIS CONVERSATION. IT’S THOSE WEIRD MOMENTS LIKE
AT THE OLYMPICS WHEN THEY REALIZED IN THE NORTH KOREAN
CHEERING DELEGATION THAT THE CAMERA WAS ON THEM, THEY WENT
FROM LIKE THIS TO DOING THEIR CHOREOGRAPHED — THAT’S PROBABLY ALL
CHEERLEADERS THOUGH. BUT LOOK, I’M TRYING TO BE REALISTIC,
OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN’T JUST SKETCH OUT YOUR FANTASY FOR WHAT IS
WANT TO HAPPEN AND EXPECT TO HAPPEN, HE’S NOT GO TO STEP
DOWN, HE’S NOT GOING TO DIE TOMORROW, AND I DO THINK HE
DESPERATELY WANTS TO BE A WAR LEADER THAT GETS TO — HE IS
BASICALLY TRUMP, HE WANTS TO GO TO PARTIES AND HAVE PEOPLE TALK
NICE ABOUT HIM. OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL HAVE TO BE ACCESS TO NORTH
KOREA IF WE ARE TO BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY SAY ABOUT
DENUCLEARIZATION, NOW THEY WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT SO
THAT WOULD BE A BIG STEP. BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT
THESE HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES AREN’T HAPPENING ANYMORE. HE MIGHT WELL HAVE TO BE THE
LEADER BUT HE CAN’T RULE IN THE WAY HE HAS. BUT YOU’RE SAYING THAT HAS
TO BE A PRIORITY, AND IT’S BEING LEFT OUT IT SEEMS SO FAR. WE ARE STILL IN THE EARLY
STAGES. THERE ARE A LOT OF POSITIVE
OPTICS THAT COME OUT OF PEACE, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF STRATEGIC
THINGS THAT THESE MAJOR PLAYERS DON’T WANT TO GIVE UP. CHINA
WANTS A GEOGRAPHICAL BUFFER BETWEEN THEM AND THE AMERICAN
BASIS IN SOUTH KOREA, CHINA WANTS US TO GET RID OF OUR, WHAT
DO WE HAVE, THREE MILITARY BASES AT LEAST IN SOUTH KOREA? WHICH
GIVES US A STRATEGIC FOOTHOLD IN THE EAST CHINA SEA. OF COURSE
CHINA ONCE US OUT, OF COURSE WE DON’T WANT TO LEAVE. WE WILL SEE
HOW THESE NEGOTIATIONS GO, BUT IN THE SAME WAY THAT IT’S PRETTY
EASY TO DECLARE A SYMBOLIC VICTORY, GRANTED NO ONE HAS DONE
IT BEFORE BY GOING AND PLANTING TREES, WE ARE STILL, AS YOU SAY,
VERY FAR AWAY FROM SEEING PEACE HERE. FROM WHAT ACTUALLY MATTERS. I THINK THE MOST PRACTICAL
SHORT RANGE GOAL IS FOR CHINA TO SAY, OKAY, HERE IS WHAT YOU DO. YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF SEMBLANCE OF CAPITALISM, BUT STILL HERE IS
HOW TO MAINTAIN DICTATORIAL CONTROL OVER YOUR PEOPLE BY
DOING WHAT WE DO IN CHINA BUT STILL BEING ABLE TO BE REPUTABLE
THE WORLD OVER. LIKE, THAT’S IT, AND WE WILL GET CHINA HEAVY,
CHINA HAS BECOME CHINA LITE, WE WILL GET CHINA HEAVY, THAT’S THE
PRACTICAL NEXT STEP AND THAT’S ALL WE CAN LEAVE HOPE FOR AND WE
WILL SEE HOW IT GOES. IT’S POSSIBLE TRUMP WILL GO BACK TO
THE OTHER HAYLEY MILLS IN THIS PARENT TRAP AND JUST BE LIKE,
YOU KNOW, HE’S A ROCKET MAN.

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    Croz Raven

    US would be in massive debts right now if other people families from another countries could sue the shit out of US government's tortures & war crimes.

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    Fernando Barajas

    I'm wondering if Presidents Trump and Moon will share a Nobel Peace Prize if they are successful in getting N.Korea to disarm. I would think getting N.Korea to rid themselves and peninsula of nukes,ballistic missiles and sign a final peace treaty(not a cease fire)ending an almost 70y war and get about 24k American servicemen/women to finally come home?I would think this would be great for everyone/everywhere but Im sure there are plenty of those who want Trump to fail due to there hate for him!!President Obama received his after just 10 months for getting elected. I can't think of anything he did to make the middle east safer. The prison in GitMo is still open. The country of Lybia with his and Hillary's help is in shambles.The Benghazi debacle which ended with 4 dead including an ambassador (1st since 79') due to many factors such as lack of adequate security, Islamic terrorists and unstable country. The foreign policy of Obama was a failure yet he gets the N.P. for what? I'm sorry "progressive" appeasement, being soft-n-cuddly,and kissing a$$ doesn't/didn't work just ask Gorbachev, Chamberlain and others. The former Presidents, Reagan,Roosevelt, Truman,Ike and Kennedy didn't give in/cave in and history proves it!!!

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    balort santa

    Why would the Family Of Tortured US Citizen Sues Kim Jong-Un? Americans torture people in Gitmo. American BIGOTRY at its finest.

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    Redcatrobe

    Yeah the son was an idiot. But I really support the family suing N.K. Even it's just a gesture and might not be successful. He was tortured and killed. We sue over lots of things, 99% of them over everyday injustices that don't involve torture and murder.

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    Steven Bradley

    He never got the "don't be an American asshole in a foreign country" talk. You are subject to their laws.

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    keely _cn

    How do victims of a country deal with us working with the country that hurt them? We do that all the time. We work with Israel. Our reporters, and our politicians have dinners with the mastermind Prince behind the war on Yemen. If this works out hopefully they'll be a future where no one else's son gets tortured to death. I won't hold my breath, but we can hope.

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    goodgulf13

    Otto's parents had him buried without an autopsy. If his brain was damaged on purpose. An autopsy might have proved that.

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    Gevalia Amalia

    Going on vacation in a country where EVERYONE (and their pets) passionately HATE you seems like a very, very, very bad idea to put it mildly…🙄
    North Korea is NOT a "Danger Disney Park" and anyone with a basic sense of self preservation should know this. 🧐

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    Dave102693

    What about the black folk who were held at a black site in Chicago. I care more about that them a privileged fuckboi who got their (whyt)privilege rejected.

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    Ian Ford

    My White Brothers and sisters, let this be a lesson: Don't be a hero and visit places of high-level conflict as a pseudo-bucket list. They don't care you're American. They don't care if your family is privileged in the US or not. They don't care you have a "bright future ahead of you". However they WILL make an example out of you. Like walking down a dimly lit back alley of egg crate projects at 3am in the Southside of Chicago. You MIGHT make it out alive, but why risk it to begin with? Otto thought he could make an argument to their courts and media for his release. Once they dropped that 15 years on him he realized, "I ain't in Cincinnati anymore…" I say this not to be crass, but out of love. What happened to him was….demonic. Treat places like N.Korea like a bad fart; forget you smelled it and keep on moving. And stay the f**k out of there, or any place like it.

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    heavyarms55

    Any American or really anyone who travels to an ENEMY country and gets captured and tortured… Look you brought it on yourself. It is different for the people who were kidnapped.

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    Kong Kong

    just be real a little. do you think north korea is in such bad shape mainly because north koreans are bad people, or because of the embargo? you are as much responsible for the pathetic shape the north koreans are in as the north korean's kims and the commies there

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    AJ CV

    Don't compare Kim Jong Un to Donald Trump, please. It is sad that your country chose that clown to lead. NK may have a lot of issues, and maybe Kim Jong Un is to blame for a lot of it, but that aside, the man is way smarter than your president.

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    Vincent Vegas

    You should have been shot in the head and buried in a pigsty. Sue your government, they are the ones who put in that position .

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    prallund feucht

    BUT THE 4-12 MILLION DEAD KOREANS FROM THE US BOMBING CAMPAIGN BEFORE THE SEPARATION HAVE NOT LEGAL RIGHT TO RESTITUTION? USA – UNITED SNOWFLAKES OF AMERICA

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    Angel Face

    Stupid..he disobeyed the laws…and frankly to just GO THERE is freaking idiotic…to GO THERE and not obey the laws…while he didn't deserve death….WTF was he thinking>?? WTF is anyone thinking, going there period??

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    Greg Lange

    What kind of parent let’s their child go to North Korea? Do the parents take any responsibility whatsoever? Did they teach him that laws in foreign countries are not the same as in the United States? Did they teach him not to be a petty thief?

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    Amos Soma

    Warmbier's family must found an ambulance chaser with a lot time on his or her hands. Even if they win a suit like this, collecting is another story. They should have hired an assassin.

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    187nags

    Moral of the story don’t break the law especially in freaking North Korea. Very sad story but if you don’t break the law nothing bad happens

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    Ethereality

    Dumb. He stole, and got what a moron who would steal in North Korea gets, sadly. The U.S destroyed n.k during the war, no shit they beat him to death.

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    NeonStorm

    1.freedom from disturbance; tranquility.
    2.a state or period in which there is no war or a war has ended.
    chose your peace u'll only get one

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    sweetcore

    The fact that he was tortured that extensively shows that the US had given up trying to get him back. Poor kid probably believed he would be saved.

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    91madridista

    Have any American presidents been tried for war crimes? The civilian body count the Kims have amassed pales in comparison to that of the Bushes, Clinton, Obama and Trump.

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    R Mc

    This is the work of China.
    Kim visits China and a couple of weeks later this happens.
    China wants peace and the withdrawal of US troops.
    They can't control Trump but they can control Kim so that's what they're doing.

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    Jesus Dæmon

    What I don't get that the whole planet just stand and watch how a war criminal torture and kill their own people and do whatever they want. Not even the UN. We are more than the North Koran regimen, we have to MAKE him stop one way or another and it's taking to long. Kim should be executed or at least arrested for life. If I were a leader even if I am from another country I would care about other people's life because I wouldn't sell my integrity or my moral standards. I hate humans more than anything in this planet because we have the level conciousness to be better but insted we are pieces of shit. We are not better than cats,dogs or even roaches. They are better than us humans.

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    Covert White Rabbit

    The US tortures, so it is the height of hypocrisy that a US citizen would sue for it. Every US taxpayer brace for impact if this lawsuit goes through, because YOU will end up paying for all the settlements that could potentially be brought against the US government.

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    Tyler Brown

    There’s absolutely zero evidence the deceased shit-nugget was tortured, and the coroner’s report explicitly states that he wasn’t. Stop spreading fake news.

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    Matty G

    Lol you American minorities are so triggered and bitter 😂 he got such a harsh sentence because he was American, not because he was white. A white Russian would have gotten off easier

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    James Harris

    Shouldn't there be a little more common sense? You don't get out of the truck to go feed the lions and shouldn't have to be told not to do so. Anyone who ventures into North Korea should do so with the idea they may never come out. So just don't do it.

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    V. A. Odin

    This just goes to show how litigious we are as American citizens. Suing a country that threatens ours with nukes isn't going to do shit. If you want something done, talk to our president and your congressional representatives.

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    Bundle of Perceptions

    First of all, anyone with that name should be put to death. Warmbeer is disgusting. And secondly, who gives a shit?

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    Michael Seo

    Why is the atrocities of Guantanamo Bay, and the murder of whistleblowers like that guy who was going to talk about the twisted stuff in the democratic convention suddenly “forgotten”?

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    Mike Gilardino

    I support the Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Afghanis and the Iraqis who were killed by the US, to sue the US Government.

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    Anthony Ostertag

    Facism is their order. Communism and democracy and republic orders of government have truly been washed off of this planet. Its not just china, trump, or that rocket man, it is the golden caff before anything else. Facism first is corporation plea to all of mankind.

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    p0xus

    Correct me if Im wrong, but didnt he only say he wanted to stop doing nuclear tests? Not that he wants to give up the bombs or the means to produce them.

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    Forskolin Reviews

    If the was ever held responsible for,war crimes there would be a lot of soldiers, sailers, airmen and marines on the hook… not to mention presidents,, senators and other elected and appointed individuals

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    Eegore Beaver

    What are they suing for? Their son went to a country known to be extremely tough on crime, with little civil liberties or han rights protections and arrogantly and intentionally broke the law by sealing s government sign. I'm not eating he deserved this, but he should have thought tide about his actions and understood his American White Privilege.

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    Danger Haus

    I wonder if Kim Jong Un was your mortal enemy and you manage to assassinate him, would you get in trouble with the laws in your own country?

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    NeonLadyUK

    It is not just wanting to get invited back again but also anyone entering is accompanied by "guides" if you say something bad about the regime afterwards they punish the guides. Everyone who goes on one of these tours is told this by the western guides beforehand.

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    Hasbi Naci Ozet

    Do people get to prosecute USA for the Guantanomo victims for war crimes now ? If we personalize Bush, Obama and Trump are the first responsible for the crimes commited against humanity. Do we get to prosecute them for war crimes?

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    jackie moua

    its not cool that it happened to him..but man.u just gotta think..deserved?… y would u goto that country and do that..? did u think being from the USA is goin to help u?..lmfao..

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    Hunter

    Donald Trump your Great Wall you talked about building, maybe you should build it around the stupid dictater's house?

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    TheIronChainMaster

    Oh please let's be real. As if the NK government would ever take this seriously. They kill their own people on a day to day basis. What makes you think they'll receive restitution just because he is a foreigner.

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    john carver

    LMFAO, A FEDERAL JUDGE SAYS NK HAS TO PAY 500 MILLION. THIS IS HOW IGNORANT OUR JUDGES ARE, LIKE NK WILL PAY A DIME LMFAO

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