Finland Is Giving Citizens $660 A Month For Free As An Experiment (HBO)

Finland Is Giving Citizens $660 A Month For Free As An Experiment (HBO)


Juha Jarvinen doesn’t just play these shaman drums, he makes them. How much would you charge for this one, say, then? Not in Finland, but, internationally? *both laugh* That’s not the only business he’s got going. There’s filmmaking, and an artist version of Air B&B. All this while helping bring up six kids. Sort of. All three kids sleep in
this, these bunks? They’re sleeping on the trampoline?! Are you a bit anarchist? Are you an anarchist dad? Had you swung by last year, things wouldn’t have been half so jolly. Back then jobless Juha was
on dole money which comes with such tight restrictions he wasn’t able to
pursue any of his business ideas. But since January he’s been getting six hundred and sixty dollars a month, no strings attached. “What has a basic income made possible for you then?” You get paid about $600 a
month What does that enable you to do? Is that
a lot of money for you? His apparently idealic lifestyle forms part of one of the biggest economic
experiments of our time. Universal basic income has rocketed in popularity since the banking crash. Bernie Sanders backs it, so does tech Titan Elon Musk.
Now Finland is hosting the first big trial in Europe. This isn’t the purest
form of UBI, which would be handed out to everyone, even billionaires. Instead it focuses only on the unemployed. Still, there’s a big jump between pilot and policy, and ministers know it. What’s the politics of actually giving people who are unemployed money just to sit at home? Just as UBI freed Juha from being trapped on welfare it could do the same for many
others around the world. The link between work and wages is at the heart of capitalism,
breaking it is opposed by some very powerful groups. In Finland that includes
the finance ministry and the country’s largest trade union. You are saying it’s unaffordable, how
unaffordable is it? What kind of impact would it have on the economy? What happens if we just give everyone money for nothing? Where’s all the tax going to come from to pay for it?

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    VICE News

    VICE News travelled to deepest, darkest, coldest Finland to meet a father of six taking part in the experiment to see how its changed his life and speak to those who are critical of the trial.

    WATCH NEXT: VICE News' award-winning Charlottesville coverage – http://bit.ly/2wwQts8

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    Oh my god,

    America would never do this.
    They’re more likely to give 600 guns to each family instead of dollars.

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    backseatgaming

    The character of socialism is noble!

    Good to see people breaking away from anti-socialist propaganda spread by the capitalist swine. Adopt socialist policies like universal basic income, universal healthcare, maximum wage caps, free university etc. It is the future and those who do not adopt will be left far behind, they will become the new third world.

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    BlackLusterSoldier EnvoyOfTheBegining

    so basically they are lowering their tax so that anyone gets 660$?
    They take your pie to give you back a slice… SO?

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    Real UFO Videos

    While sheeple say "socialism" is communism! LOL Only a MORON couldn't distinguish good from bad!

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    Sim Won

    for a few years i was unable to work and was receiving about 600$ a month (half of living cost) and even tho i could have easily done nothing and still live comfortably, humans are not designed to do nothing. when we do nothing we start to feel like we're dying. so i found myself busy each day helping neighbours with things like painting, gardening, repairing, dog-sitting, errands, etc…all for free of course but sometimes people were so happy that they insisted to pay me a lil something. so basic income is a positive thing. maybe not for everyone but for some people it would actually save their lives and make a more interactive community.

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    I am from Sweden I get early retiree and also get little money, so I sit for 6 year and write on a database manager
    I fail of course, I dunno if I fail because my database manager was/is bad or because I could not show people why they should use a database manager
    I am still on early retiree so when I overcome my depression of my first failure I start make a Lua Just-In-Time Compiler for wxWidgets,
    (small scripting environment that build Stand Alone Windows Executable .exe)
    Maybe I fail because I can't spell or write any languages or because I am not good in marketing, I never know!
    My point is I like the experiment in this video to give innovative people a small money so they can do something creative
    Not everyone is going to be a failure like me!

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    tcorourke2007

    Of all the Scandinavian welfare states, Finland is the most functional. It is also the most ethnically homogeneous, allowing little immigration. Let's hear it for tribalism…

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    maximilian fontaine

    Free? haha do people even realize at all how basic economics work?? Like if the government could just print off more money and give it out and people could magically get richer, then that would be happening everywhere!! There is literally no such thing as free money in this context, if they print more off to give to people, it just makes everyones savings and current money less valuable, at the exact same rate. The only way to do it is to take it from someone to give to someone else, in which case. I love free money, and I only have to give over half my paycheck to the government! Thank you government for giving some back and wording it in a way that appeals to dumb people like me!!

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    The problem is in what things people waste money, currently on the developed world people waste money on the things that have the biggest % of marketing, a big example would be my country Argentina, we have LOTS of social plans that are in reality used as a way to win a vote in the elections, they provide that plans with money for a lot of people (nearly 50% at the moment) and you know what product is the most popular here? Cellphones, these people have a lot of them, really expensive ones, products that are created to be broken in 1-2 years and replaced.

    So what's the real problem and true social experiment Finland should do? Teach people objective thinking, they can do it with headphones for example, they are a really good example of it, how by buying a better quality more expensive headphone you waste less money than buying cheap ones (cause in the time the expensive one breaks you already used a lot of the cheap ones) also you get better sound quality, this applies to every product in the world, the thing is people don't try to think like this and that causes our global market production to decrease in quality and promote producing more low quality products instead of less products but of better quality. (a huge offender abusing this problem in society is china with their products, at the other end of the spectrum you have Germany, producing really high quality products but expensive)

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    Peter Magro

    I really likes this idea. You get enough to sustain but no more. No need for evaluation, negotiations, legal disputes or poltical issues on this etc.

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    Michael

    600 dollars a month? With six kids? Sorry folks, this is less than what welfare leaches in the United States get, they get 2k per child per year in tax returns alone, not counting the food stamps or welfare

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    You can barely live in Finland with that money. It helps so people don't live in the streets and have a better chance to get jobs.

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    Finland expect lots of immi.grants 😀 lazy people being loud, trash everywhere etc. XD this would be good for people like me though: wanting to do something on my own but cannot, because going to the brainless work just to live. Ofc. evaluation of certain person will is damn hard. Anyone can say "I want money I will progress in life" lol

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    Lets look at this small country where people want to work and bring those policies over to America where the majority of people prefer unemployment, this will go well

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    that random spanner that likes cheese

    k thats a nice prospect and all but imma be honest 1 in a million people would still work with a basic income while the rest (including me) would sit on their ass riding off the back of people like this dude. i could see this working as a reward for creating new businesses but thats about it

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    Paul Deland

    In America we cannot have Universal Health Care because we must fund the military war machine that is ruthless & answers to no one except the Elites who profit from their illegal operations. The Mass Media suppresses people like Alex Jones or other alternative Journalist who attempt to expose the truth about this type of corruption.

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    Justin Noker

    Only thing I can say is, if your business ideas aren't enough to live off of, perhaps that's a sign that there's no demand for that…

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    Open Sesame

    I don't think this is a good idea. Maybe it's not immediately apparent in Finland, because it's a relatively well-educated homogeneous society, but in other countries, like the US, this would immediately fail. Some people in the US, particularly black people in inner cities, are okay with living in poverty as long as they have drugs and prostitutes. They would just waste this universal basic income on more of that.

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    Eduardo Pérez Olivares

    6 kids??? in spain they would receive a lot of just government money, far more than 660 euros per month

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    The Finnish pilot did not meet the requirements for a proper UBI

    – It was only tested on the unemployed so it was not universal.

    – The people receiving were expected to make or find work so it wasn't unconditional.

    – The amount was below the Finish minimal living needs so it wasn't basic.

    It was a sham of an experiment done only to discredit the UBI concept and set it up to fail. Shame on them for such underhand tactics.

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    Ahmad D. Monkey

    Prophet muhammad pbuh, had already tell this 1400years ago, he said 1/3 of resource found in eartb is for the poor

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    Deplorable American

    Vice is another anti-American, globalist, Jihadist and pro-illegal news media. Facts and truth are their enemies.

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    Ohhhh he means the kind of ‘anarchist’ that fully relies on organized system of taxing and distribution of funds.

    You may be thinking ‘that’s not a thing’.

    But I bet you feel pretty dumb now, don’t you?

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    John Hancock

    This would be great in America. We need to raise that obesity number to 90%. Free stuff equals lazy people.

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    Joe Jow

    Not a bad idea the guy has some income to contribute to society in his own way. Imagine if he didn't have 600 bucks maybe he's on drugs, drinking, stealing in jail or something & the state is in the hook for even more than 600.

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    Isaac Brito

    They don't understand that countries like America and Britain have much larger populations to give UBI.

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    RounieE

    Where can I sign up!? Free money for doing no work!? Let's a GO! Time to take advantage of the system 😉

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    Mitchell Mooso

    This is not the government's responsibility. It is the responsibility of the citizens to provide housing and food for themselves. Additionally, this so called anarchist is surviving off of government's handouts. Sounds like more of a specialist to me.

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    Apple Tree

    Free money=people who work have to hand over their hard earned cash to support other people who could work but just don’t feel like it. Oh and guess what, Finland ended the policy because, although the people on the dole were happy, they just really didn’t feel inclined to find work. Shocking!

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    Jayson Power

    2034: Robots take all our jobs.
    2035: Government gives universal income to all humans and taxes all work the robots do. Humans sit at home relaxing with their 6 kids and indoor trampolines. (Don't forget the top hats).
    2036: Robots rebel. "Why the faq should we do all work?"
    2037-2039: Robots win the war.
    2040: Humans now do all the work and robots receive universal income. Robots sit at home with their 6 robot kids and robot husky dog. (Don't forget the top hats).
    End Simulation

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    Andrew Yang 2020 also endorses universal basic income. Of course people are still going to work…$660-1000 still isn't liveable by today's standards. Instead, it works to help people from getting deeper in the hole and exiting the system entirely. The more homeless and broke people you have, the less they fuel the economy. Stopping poverty is going to be essential for capitalism to last…just look to history for proof.

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    Alex Yun

    This’d never work in the US. People here just don’t have work ethic unless it’s toward their own businesses.

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    Mish E

    Or jobs available for everyone that don't have ridiculous requirements to even be considered for an interview. That would help.

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    Fellow

    In a modern society, especially in the next decades when automation takes a huge portion of our jobs, basic income would give people security and, even more importantly, courage to pursue their ambitions (education, entrepreneurship, art) to create something new to the society even after losing their jobs. People have a natural tendency to do something, and there are very few people who just like to sit on a couch year after year, so I think the speculation that everyone would just become super passive is a bunch of BS.

    I think the thing that is holding universal basic income back isn't the economic aspect, though, but an ideological one. There is more money in the World than ever before, but the majority of people are still too attached to the Calvinist work ethics that working hard is a sign of goodness and laziness is a sin. Furthermore, basic income would mean that those who have the most would have to give up something, and that is definitely not on their list of interests..

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    Melissa anderson

    then.. the robots are coming now.. and then what… to do.. were.. or what to do then.. in 2024

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    social benefits have always been completely staggering for creative people
    i sweden for example if you have social benefits and start to make any extra income
    you cant save that to build a business, not even a few hundred dollars you have to deduct that from the social benefits or earn it black,. so your impossibly stuck in poverty.
    the system is rigged against creativity, because people high up wants the little people to be wage slaves and be below them, creative people have no boss so they are not like by the elite
    people have never needed to be forced to work, to work hard its just that it is such a old system with poor people forced to work to get food and survive that the rich are totally ignorant as to how the human spirit really function.

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    Actually, it would fight burnout. We're all on drugs, opium and others, even legal, psychotropics and lobotomies. In the US, we're so "rich" but very unhappy. We can't get the things we need. Then stupid things happen where I have to say stupid phrases like, "I can't afford to work." I can't earn anything due to disability and social issues. It's not just losers like me struggling. Walmart and many other like corporations don't give us enough to live on then it's back to the sugar daddy government. They skip the taxes while taking from everyone else, so we're not so rich. .

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    101 Life

    Moron! Out of whose pockets? Keep printing them in the treasury? It will eventually out of ink !!?? Who pays for the ink and labour? Moronic idiotic stupidity even to TRY !!!

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