The Preaching Humanist 01.28 – Atheist Interviews with Mark Vandebrake

The Preaching Humanist 01.28 – Atheist Interviews with Mark Vandebrake


Welcome back viewers to the Preaching Humanist with David Oliverio that is I. And here I have my producer Mark show without Mark and I said preach
humanism progressive philosophy of life without God believing good without God
we depend appalling human beings because we all have our abilities and talents
and so that’s what we do so thank you marshall benham show so we get right
into it just quickly interview and if you have seen my past videos most of
them are preaching and teaching humanism why you don’t need to God be good but
added to the mix interviews with different ages all we
like to call this the show eight years interviews to give my dear Christian
friends and idea that there are various types of a humanist out there are not
all the same it’s not a uniform religion we’re not a religion we’re just people
that think and have figured out the conclusion of the matter is this is no
evidence for God so we live our life after filming of life finally meaning
purpose without God so I would like to do that with more so more gonna start
from the basics I would ask you about your birth and infancy to young for that so tell us a little bit about your
childhood and former preacher being raised in a pastor’s family becoming a
preacher myself very fascinating for me and intriguing for me when I want it to
fellow atheists and humanists from maybe a little different backgrounds so tell
us about your upbringing childhood and what type of family raised in yea I saw
it was for the vast majority of people it is different than most ideas here at
the ECA came from a religious background I wasn’t raised religious but I wasn’t
really raised consciously second to catholic church but it was mainly just
to fit in with the community to at the outsiders as sort of thing and every
church for the longest time I thought that we were all sort of
playing make belief protect right there was never a time when I actually believe
that it was literally true and I i early on in the added easy connection between the fantasy
stories that I was reading the roundtable you know just a Christian
table as well you know nobody took that is literally fantastic and I didn’t
think Berlin was true and I just assume that everybody knew that the Bible was
just that sort of story but I soon realized that people were taking it
seriously they were taking it literally and that’s actually what I became
interested in religion that that was my main interest in religion I wasn’t
interested in it when I was just being taught religion but what sparked my
interest in religion was wanting to know why people believe it wasn’t there was
never any doubt in my mind whether it was true true insofar as it hit with the
world just maybe there was a Jesus but the fantastical things didn’t happen now
is self evident but what sparked my interest was wanting to know why people
and what the first idea the first hypothesis of why that might be was
sparked by my mother getting need a hero with a thousand faces yeah yeah campbell’s book when I find it
academically a little bit we can eat it isn’t you know the sort of rigorous treatment of
religion that is wholly convincing I think campbell and is currently have
some really strong ideas and I was one of those landmark books that really
coalesced for the first time and adequate my religion had such a whole
lot of people yeah and why they would they would obviously think some details
weren’t true by the Bible us that began my journey and I went to school for
history and went to graduate school for psychology and humanities all of those things are tied in insofar
as the ways to understand belief beautiful beautiful yeah myself over and
over again on this we free thinkers and we ate yes I sticks and humorous
whatever you want to call us when we come from various backgrounds and here
we have more coming from a very different background that I come from
the Pentecostal charismatic pastor’s home where it was almost an anti reason
environment where all we needed was Jesus the Holy Ghost and the Bible to
pull us through life is always nice to meet people and Marc Marquez individual
a lot of my other atheists and humanists friends you I like to try to pick their
brain to learn from so we always learn from each other and and again as I was
saying all the time there’s no need for God for this we have everything we need
right here on this place called her with other human beings using the beautiful
division of labor differences we all have yeah I’m most
interested in speaking with former believers because it’s hard for me to
empathize with that because I never had it fully and there may have been times
when I thought perhaps this is the case but it wasn’t something that guided my
life church was mainly just boring when I was taught religion didn’t he didn’t
have much of an impact didn’t it didn’t inform the morality of my life and so
seeking to believers is really interesting to me because i said im
interested in NY people but also I get asked you the feeling of what is it you
see more of you has a tendency to inform how you behave and how you look around
the world are you human guess I’m just for me for me was fairly
similar way of looking at the world leaders season object I see an object I
would imagine there’s a different feeling or approaching different
relationship between things could I ask you a true believer how did the world
part of the world as an expense of course well as I say all the time I was
in double the faith bubble which I would call a major delusion at this time in my
life I wasn’t able to see outside a little reality to me was the
supernatural world God was involved in every thought life every decision I made a video would
stop and say well what would Jesus do well what would Jesus do is the Lord
directly in this area have played out this causation was always the Christian
God because he was lured so I really didn’t have my own thoughts if I did
they were contrary to the Bible or what we used to call the last of the flash so
far so it was more of a sinful flesh flashy carnal thinking versus reality
show the world you the way you look at things is very very different yeah ok
with that kind of thing they’ll get when I am any really any interaction that I
have somebody there was two things going on I guess for me was you know how my
actions and what I say effect that person humanist articulated it like that but it
was the only thing that I thought mattered human beings were the only a
you know I now i think you know animals more and more we’re the only things that
actions could have any positive or negative effect on me did you get iraq
it’s just an effect positive or negative because that is what ya ya and animals so every interaction that I
had was thinking like that it also leads self esteem so yeah so what can I get
from them as well so there was that that dynamic and maybe had like day the
superego something you know conscious you know my
conscience would be telling me something that was something just slightly
independent of my conscience me so I can see where that would least sort of media
Todd like how it would affect right along is interesting we can go on
through probably so your passion for free thinking I know you do a lot of
work here in the community for free thinking was your time in your life that
you started developing a passion for advocacy being an activist for science
and reason it free thinking and maybe helping others to see faith is really
not necessary but I called modern civility and the year 2015 and maybe how
they sometimes can hinder human progress yea well when I was going to graduate
school I i wasnt anti religious necessarily
came to a point where I thought that believers in atheist were both sort of
missing the point blank if you take you know I saw the authorities as just like
any other story with a with something to say right now the details when you know
it had some kind of lesson two important so her longest time I just thought that
atheists and believers were talking past each other they were really hitting the
crucial point I thought the crucial point was just let’s take a look at
these stories and see where we can glean from them when you don’t take take it
literally anything you can discard the bad stuff and take the good old horse so
basically it’s an ever evolving process of us and I thought that some 80 s where
22 you know not to their benefits neighbor discarding technology sort of
understanding where you’ve been hurt by a religion there’s a tendency to reject it but I
think if we want to grow as a species grown morality taking in all information
as much as you can see not just going along with it yeah right but having a dialogue with as
much wisdom from the passes you can help us grow and I saw the leaders are taking
it too seriously eighties we’re taking it seriously
enough and I thought there was this little ground so when I study psychology
and Humanities at the end of my graduate program I knew that I wanted to the
United I do I knew I wanted to dedicate my life to cause I just didn’t know what
the cause was and living here in Austin Austin ten
years ago and that’s ten years ago is when I started to graduate programs and
read at the end of that which is about three or four years ago I started
working on the free time resources and this is really the catalyst that first
of all in order for me to decide what caused it dedicate my life to you I
basically just tried to find out what’s the biggest issue was the biggest
problem and he came to think I religion causes a lot of mineralization of
religion reading mythology and reading where you can from it but just trying to
be against religion makes people behave and detrimental ways you know it
was so pervasive too many things that are bad and then the climate change as
far as we’re concerned as bad to us but that’s sort of a one-off it
does affect the entire climate you know but you can tackle that in very specific
ways religion is so encompassed in every aspect of related how people think how
people behave how to vote there’s just so many things that it does
and so what’s the corner and what’s the deal sort of the opposite of that you
know D three thoughts and it is you know and and other little catalyst was see
friends who thoughts like I did when they couldn’t talk to their friends and
family about it because they knew they would be ostracized repudiate yeah and
while I have had some of that was some friends and family that everybody but I
have had some people react negatively negatively to be out and then you know
that I was a Christian yeah yeah yeah yeah but he knows friends not being able
to the authentic even so yeah it did need
me angry and i thought well I’m gonna do something where I get needy and I don’t
I don’t think I can speak for other people yeah but in a way I wanted to kind of be
their voice so he was doing was researching for the book and decided I
want to become an activist deciding what I what Avenue on Tuesday with activism
and then seeing the negative effects before it effects of religion where it
was nothing to be negative about my calf sort of Catholic upbringing yeah but
when I saw some friends being affected by yeah it was only like well i’m for
other places it’s harmful because of terrorism and it seems to me you
personally affected by it you know it does in fact we could take hours and
hours and talking about individuals that we’ve known where faith in the
supernatural actually has a negative effect upon you for you my dear Christian friends that
are watching us and those that are watching are probably those that are
beginning to notice these negative effects in your life and you want to
know is there something else out there other than this godly because there is a
lot of reality and it’s called living in this natural world without any doctor
leach and it can be very wonderful you wanted to talk about activism for a
little bit never going to get into the book that you wrote I agree with Mark
I’m gonna have to visit as well as you can tell you watch my youtube videos is
a former charismatic Pentecostal Evangel preacher I still love to being active is
now who are humanism and and free thinking I would like to use a quote
from Jesus you’re probably wondering why the heck would you use a lot of well I
use the bottle a lot to help you see your logical fallacy made it right when
jesus did mentioned in the Bible two thousand years ago nice to use of
Scripture as a preacher look into the fields for their white and heartless
pray that the Lord would supply labors to go into the field for the late for
the laborers are few but the harvest is great and plentiful and what I would say
to my fellow free thinkers activist eight years humanist agnostics out there the harvest is plentiful we have over 70
percent of Americans who still believe that a deity in this guy a trench in da
Vinci invisible deity impregnated a jewish teenage girl gave birth to a
god-man like all the other misc like Hercules and you can help me on that one
and all the other mythology that perfect god man so we have seventy percent of
Americans it still hold on to this belief so I would say the harvest is
plentiful plentiful but the laborers are few highly encouraged us to talk and let
people know that life can be wonderful without God believe that’s why activists so so I’m gonna read one quote
from a very major activists in eight years died by twenty thirty years ago book and we talked about marks but this
really fires me up of course this is Mark’s book freethought resource guy and
I guess it’s on page 117 under the Activision chapter its report by Isaac
as a as a as a thank you why continued activism because we must because we have
the call because it is no clue to fight for rationality without winning now
without waiting this was written maybe thirty four years ago changing for the good without winning
then to give up in the face of continued defeats because what ever true progress
humanity makes is through listen to me my dear Christian friends the progress
that humanity makes is through the praying to Jesus through the nationality
of the occasional individual individuals and because any one individual we may
win for the cause may do more for Humanity than 800,000 who hunt their
superstitions to their breasts more I read that that’s by the way society from
positive yes I’m 2011 yet in secondary so it’s ok I want you to discuss it so
this was from work but someone once you talk briefly about your book freethought
resource guide in before I let you talk about me I read that the subtitle
directory of information literature art organizations internet sites related to
secular humanism skepticism eight years and nothing else I couldn’t condemns it down anything
manage absolutely totally with the book this yeah we started off like I said I
wanted to become an activist and historian and growing as a scholar I
collect everything and when you do research make sure you say everything
and so I started to accumulate a lot of things this is very very selfish reasons
I wanted to know what was out there why I wanted to know about the world in 80
was relatively new to me but i wanna characters in the books and the only
information and when I what I really found was that there’s a lot of
information but it can become overwhelming become overwhelming it it’s sometimes
you don’t know what website you see that you know that quote is and that’s
actually good instance you know that call came from some someplace else but I
coated the secondaries so you know but I added to inject you know to see did as
it is against the experts say that it’s so easy thing to the Internet is a lot
of misinformation but if you do I i stumbled upon Christian sites that were
sort of masquerading as atheists and of course your gonna hit you know they were
doing that on purpose yes mislead people about 3,000 and collected
a ton of information and I started to whittle it down and I was again for my
own sink and I started then I realized I’m having this problem and I’m spending
a lot of time I mean this is what I’m doing my graduate school thesis is that
I was gonna make this listing to a guide but I do this information I was gonna
turn into something and you know it since I was having difficulty and I have
all this time and did you it is still difficult for me I thought obviously be
casual because now activists yes most most people in any rule you are pretty
casual the majority of Christians are casualties they believe it but they’re
not the night of studying the Bible creatures that sort of thing so I wanted to make something that would
help in a year I think it’s good for me it just it’s especially good for the
beginner yes you can pick this book up you say why I want music I want to
listen to a song that is I don’t want any religious overtones to it even like
you know maybe I want a song that makes fun of religious authority or you know I
want to read something you know I want to read about a famous rethinking right
you know sort of thing so basically it’s a list of sub subtitle all those things
that i truly comprehensive as possible but also down to the dairy science and
I’ll probably write the book a little bit differently now if you use on but
it’s always an ongoing process as far as come across new information should have
been in the book right or I would eliminate things now so this is
basically a few years of Mekong through all of the best rethought stuff down and
offered it to people just is real quick I know that we’re going quite lengthy
here today and I want to briefly talk just a moment about author Mark you were
the editor of these books joe said thank you I met joe Simitian
few weeks ago under the bridge where we discussed before eight years helping the
homeless are out there providing food and clothing to needy people and yes we
do it all without God judgment he has two bucks here which mark has edited
leading the quiet room by riders from religious slavery 28 years and I’m just
beginning to read these books all some stuff another one by JL eight years activists so this is what I love about
what more can I agree about years making a difference in this world it’s really
more important for us to rise up and to speak and to do so a way to find happiness in life is to
find something that matters more than you do and devote your life to that
activism especially if it’s a good philosophy or something good that we
ought to do something that’s worthwhile die Seite use helping other people that
are in need without God which is humanism so Mark did you want to say
anything about those memoirs it shows and seeding of activists journalists and
activists in the area he national organisation New Jersey he’s
out there and actually hired by the Association yeah yeah yeah and so he’s
dedicated to the big portion of his life to his act and to help search the
homeless yes this is the kind of things in the first thing I think when it comes
to activism there’s many avenues a universal going like here in the atheist
can easily get off to debate about the sort of tone friendly kind town would
agree with predominantly yes majority of directors also there is i think there’s
room for different sorts more pressing more militant oh yes sort of way to go
about things and and enjoys on the forefront I think of expanding these
goals 23 assists atheist activist in need right here before it might be just
a few old white man sitting in a cafe somewhere about religion right where
somebody like joe says it can be much more than yes he wanted to attack he
wanted to make sure that good deeds attached that’s where humanism and so
this is just his his journey the first book is on his childhood and so how he came out of
religious are you he has done one point he went to a Catholic school public
school and then this predominantly his activism yeah I was really proud to edit
those who could see what his story was well I appreciate all you do from movement activists oh yeah well is
also one of the people who started the 1997 yeah this is our this is our crew
crew shirts you get when you join the crew of one of the producers of the
experience which is interesting to say the least last few months because we we used to
shoot the show out of the cable access Studio and a closed down changed hands so we weren’t able to use
it anymore so we came here to the library already had that in mind sort of
when we bought the building and now we have to set up there so we were shooting
8600 nonprofits and now one of my major forces to expand those programs yes and
39 grandfathered in so happy to have you and speaking of different tones in different strategies I guess you bring something
entirely new and you have the you know there is yes something different
strategies useful right in your approach is useful it is experiencing is useful
but also not everybody’s gonna like a showing he’s made me go on to listen to
call in a straight a shorter show get straight to the point you know maybe the
way you approach you that’s the diversity of programming I’m really
excited about yes if you wanna come join the CA and you want and you have ideas
for four we’re open to do it you can make your show well once again I want to take more than
break my producer of the preaching humanist with David all areas show for
being with me today and giving us wonderful information and sharing your
life and open himself up to viewers and talking about his books remember again
we mark Brandenburg is the book so thank you for watching the preaching you miss
with David Oliverio remember know God is required for life of love joy peace
fulfillment meaning and purpose in life and the good life is one guided by
reason and motivated by love have a wonderful day

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